- 1 Introduction
- 2 Moves Analysis
- 3 The Basics
- 4 Advanced Strategy
- 5 Combos
- 6 Match-ups
- 6.1 Serious Advantage Match-ups
- 6.2 Advantage Match-ups
- 6.3 Fair Match-ups
- 6.4 Disadvantage Match-ups
- 6.5 Serious Disadvantage Match-ups
Guile is a all-around balanced character. He can pressure his enemies by shielding his advances with Sonic Booms and also use them as a barrier, together with his Flash Kick, to apply chip damage while holding a defensive position. However, he has been toned down quite a bit, compared to his CPS-1 versions. His Sonic Booms have projected vulnerable hitboxes, his main poke - the crouching Forward kick - has worse priority and he has lost his dangerous CPS-1 chains. Similarly to other characters, his aerial normal moves have worse priority.
Strengths & Weaknesses
New & Old Versions Comparison
To select O.Guile, choose Guile and then press ↑ ↓ ↓ ↓ Jab/Fierce, pressing Short simultaneously with the punch button for the alternate color.
Here is the list of differences:
- Obvious stuff: O.Guile can not tech throws and does not have a Super;
- O.Guile has some differences in some of his normals:
- Far Standing Strong does not have an anti-air hitbox (the first part is better, but he does not has a second active part like N.Guile has) but it does more damage;
- Crouching Strong does more damage;
- Close Standing Fierce does more damage;
- Crouching Fierce does more damage;
- Far Standing Fierce is the back fist (N.Guile has a straight punch instead, his back fist that is now a command normal also does less damage);
- Close Standing Forward does more damage;
- Far Standing Forward has worse feet vulnerability during start-up (plus he does not have the command normal versions) but it does more damage;
- Crouching Forward does more damage;
- Both Standing Roundhouse kicks are the classic kicks from the CPS-1, while N.Guile has a mediocre anti-air one for the close version and a donkey kick as the far one;
- Crouching Roundhouse does more damage;
- Both Jumping Fierces does more damage;
- Diagonal Jumping Short is not a cross-up attack;
- Both Jumping Forwards does more damage;
- Both Jumping Roundhouses does more damage;
- The Knee Bazooka is performed with Short instead of Forward. It also does more damage;
- The Reverse Spin Kick does more damage;
O.Guile has some benefits like the ability to do the back fist and the standing short while charging for Booms, his standing Roundhouse is a decent anti-air, plus most of his normals are more damaging, but all in all N.Guile is slightly better due to the cross-up and most of the normal moves he has gained.
Disclaimer: To better understand the diagrams, read this.
- Close/Far Standing Jab:
|Simplified||1 + 3||4||5|
Rapid-fire jab. Guile's arm is fully invincible, but it does not have much reach, just like other such Jabs. It is a good move.
It whiffs on most characters if they are crouching, but will still hit these characters regardless: Sim, Hawk, Gief, Sagat, Boxer, Old Fei. -GolcarJack
- Crouching Jab:
|Simplified||1 + 3||4||5|
The crouching version also has rapid-fire properties, and similar priority.
- Close Standing Strong:
|Simplified||1 + 3||3||12|
This is not very safe if you do not cancel. It mostly spoils the anti-air properties of far standing Strong, which is not really good for Guile.
- Far Standing Strong:
|Special Cancel||Yes / No|
|Super Cancel||Yes / No|
|Frame Advantage||+3 / +5|
|Simplified||1 + 4||6||9|
Uppercut punch. This has good range and recovery, and work as anti-air, from the right range.
- Crouching Strong:
|Simplified||1 + 3||4||8|
This has just acceptable range for a crouching Strong move. The priority is poor, so this is mostly used in combos and to punish moves such as whiffed Tatsumakis.
This move hits low in mirrors -GolcarJack
- Close Standing Fierce:
|Simplified||1 + 3||3||29|
Upper that has long recovery, but more damage. It can be canceled into special attacks so as not to be punished on block.
- Far Standing Fierce:
|Simplified||1 + 6||6||10|
Can be used in situations where standing jab would be good, such as anti airs vs boxer and gief, and to stuff headbutts and drills. Can also be used like shoto far stand strong to anti air in mirrors and stuff specific moves. But it cannot be rapid fired or cancelled, and 10 frame recovery is not desirable. -GolcarJack
- Crouching Fierce:
|Super Cancel||Yes / No|
|Frame Advantage||-4 / +0|
|Simplified||1 + 5||16||10|
The main anti air to use when being jumped on and you aren't charged for a flash kick. This takes training to time: you want it to trade if the enemy attacks the right time. It can also be used as a feint, tricking the enemy into thinking you stood up and lost charge.
- Close/Far Standing Short:
|Simplified||1 + 4||4||6|
You can actually mash this while charging a fireball and not get bazooka knee. Start mashing in neutral, then while still mashing, hold back, as long as you don't stop rapid firing while standing, you won't get the knee. -GolcarJack
- Crouching Short:
|Simplified||1 + 6||4||6|
This move combos into itself. A fast attack to push a close opponent away to ideal c.mk range.
- Close Standing Forward:
|Simplified||1 + 6||4||6|
Pretty much solely used as an anti air when the opponent is above you. Useful vs shotos to stuff jump fierce and other air normals. This has a lot of frame advantage, which allows you to link things like cr mp after it lands, and close fierce on some characters. Though this is not useful aside from styling when getting a KO. -GolcarJack
- Far Standing Forward:
|Simplified||1 + 9||5||13|
This exactly the same as his command sobats and can be used in the same ways. -GolcarJack
- Crouching Forward:
|Simplified||1 + 7||5||8|
Guile's main poke. It has a very good range, but poor priority. The key to using this attack well is not using it all the time, but positioning yourself so that it will hit or control space when the enemy is not throwing his pokes, which often beat Guile's.
- Close Standing Roundhouse:
|Simplified||1 + 8||8|
Mediocre anti air kick, Guile usually always has better options. You cannot reliably do this while keeping fireball charge either since you get the upside down kick within this moves activation range if you are holding back or forward while pressing hk. -GolcarJack
- Far Standing Roundhouse:
|Simplified||1 + 13||6|
Tied with the second hit of sweep for the most ranged normal. Safe when it lands, and beats a handful of good attacks in some matchups. -GolcarJack
- Crouching Roundhouse:
|Frame Advantage||-26 / +7|
|Simplified||1 + 7||5||28|
Used as an anti air at a certain range. The second active part of the move has very good range, which can be used to control space in specific situations, such as on the enemy's wake-up or after forcing him to block a Sonic Boom, with noticeable frame advantage.
- Neutral Jumping Jab:
Pretty much only useful for the occasional safejump. One good property of this move is that it stays active throughout the whole jump. -GolcarJack
- Diagonal Jumping Jab:
Weird hitbox, decent for punishing fireballs when jumping from really far away, particularly vs sim and sagat. Does not stay active long enough to last the whole jump. -GolcarJack
- Neutral Jumping Strong:
Same startup as neutral jump fierce but more active frames, and less priority and reach. Decent despite this, but neutral jump fierce is usually preferred. -GolcarJack
- Diagonal Jumping Strong:
Usually diagonal jump fierce is preferred for the better priority, but this has more active frames, and is still pretty good nonetheless. -GolcarJack
- Neutral Jumping Fierce:
Guile punches down while in the air. This move has short reach, but good priority. Great for stuffing sliding attacks, and a lot of moves in general, good defensive move.
- Diagonal Jumping Fierce:
A good air to air move. Can be used as anti-air with good reactions or to mix-up moves. Also used when jumping backwards to counter Dictator's stomps or Claw's wall dives.
- Neutral Jumping Short:
For what it's worth this move is nothing special. Pretty much exclusively used for safejumps, and it stays active the whole jump to make this easier. Never use this when jumping a fireball as Guile gets a bigger hurtbox during startup. -GolcarJack
- Diagonal Jumping Short:
For crossups and ticks.
- Neutral Jumping Forward:
Decent air to air, mainly used as an anti air vs Blanka. -GolcarJack
- Diagonal Jumping Forward:
A good jump-in move with acceptable range and priority. It stays active for quite some time, which is good or control space while airborne.
- Neutral Jumping Roundhouse:
The same as diagonal jump roundhouse. Doubles as an air throw command like all other medium/heavy air normals. Both versions of jumping roundhouse are sometimes favoured over fierce since roundhouse does more dizzy, usually resulting in a dizzy combo ending in flash kick. Jumping roundhouse can hit the following characters standing if done quickly : Boxer, Sagat, Hawk, Gief, Claw, DJ.
- Diagonal Jumping Roundhouse:
A jump-in move with very good range, but poor priority. It is very useful to hit extended limbs due to long recovery projectiles such as Hadoukens or Tigers. It can also be used as a punishing tool while the enemy is in the air after Shoryukens, Condor Dives and jumps in general. If you get lucky or time it well and the enemy is close enough, it will become Guile's most damaging throw: the Flying Buster Drop a.k.a. the back-breaker.
--Tataki 21:44, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
- Spinning Back Knuckle a.k.a. Back Fist: (On ground, → + Fierce)
|Simplified||1 + 9||5||18|
Guile's patented backfist punch. Its awesome range makes this Guile's best punish normal move. It can used at anti air at certain ranges, but mostly to punish projectile recovery after you canceled the projectile itself with a Sonic Boom and the opponent is left open. This move has relatively low priority and can by punished if whiffed.
- Knee Bazooka: (On ground, ←/↖/↑/↗/→ + Short)
|Simplified||1 + 5||5||21|
This allows you to advance while charging a Sonic Boom, and hits extended limbs from Low Tigers.
- Rolling Sobat a.k.a. Hop Kick: (On ground, ←/↖/↑/↗/→ + Forward)
|Simplified||1 + 9||5||13|
|Simplified||1 + 9||5||13|
A great kick. It allows you to move forwards or backwards while attacking, and also goes above low hits like shoto's crouching kicks or Guile's cr.Forward. At certain ranges, it can be used as an anti air.
NOTE: You can kara cancel this move into flash kick for additional range!
Thats a trick Muteki uses, here is a example video. It indeed gives Flash kick a bit little more range, if hopping forward since it will push guile forward a bit, the timing is tricky though.
- Reverse Spin Kick: (On ground and close, ←/↖/↑/↗/→ + Roundhouse)
|Simplified||1 + 15||6|
Guile performs an upside-down version of his crouching kick. This is a command normal, but it also demands you to be close enough to the opponent, so you can not take advantage of the reach. It is very good to trick the enemy into throwing a crouching move and punishing it by prediction, though.
--Tataki 21:44, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
Guile can throw using Strong and Fierce. If in air, he can throw with Forward and Roundhouse too. The direction of the joystick determines the direction the enemy gets thrown at. All his ground throws have the same range and do 32 points of damage (plus two more if behind in rounds).
- Ground Throws Throwboxes:
|(from throwable box)||18|
- Judo Throw: (←/↖/↑/↗/→ + Strong)
Guile's shoulder throw, leaves them further away than the dragon suplex, but if they tech the distance is not much. Useful if you want to throw them far away, especially vs old characters that cannot tech. -GolcarJack
- Dragon Suplex: (←/↖/↑/↗/→ + Fierce)
The suplex throw, leaves them not too far away, and Guile recovers quickly. -GolcarJack
- Flying Mare: (Guile and opponent in air, ↖/←/↙/↓/↘/→/↗ + Strong/Fierce)
|(from throwable box)||24|
Grabs opponents slightly above airborne Guile. Useful vs buttslams, can be used a reactionary anti air in some matchups, the damage is pretty high, so if you get his on accident vs a walldive or something, it's often more than welcome. -GolcarJack
- Flying Buster Drop: (Guile and opponent in air, ↖/←/↙/↓/↘/→/↗ + Forward/Roundhouse)
|(from throwable box)||24|
Grabs opponents slightly below airborne Guile. Does insane damage when not teched. Basically this can kill if they have a little less than half life remaining. This move can be ok for punishing whiffed srks, flash kicks, up kicks from Chun etc. Though they can always tech, so only fully favoured if they are in range to be ko'd by this. -GolcarJack
- Sonic Boom: (Charge ←, →, P)
Detailed Input: (Charge ← for at least 60f, [0~7f] → [0~11/9/7f] Jab/Strong/Fierce. It is needed to wait at least 1 frame after leaving the charge direction to enter with the P button)
- Jab Version:
- Strong Version:
- Fierce Version:
Guile's projectile. The punch strength determines the projectile's speed, being Jab the slowest and Fierce the fastest. This move recovers fast, giving Guile time to walk up to apply pressure or punish jump-ins or long recovery moves. You can use ↙ so as to charge both Sonic Booms and Flash Kicks at the same time.
- Somersault Kick a.k.a. Flash Kick: (Charge ↓, ↑, K)
Detailed Input: (Charge ↓ for 60f, [0~7f] ↑ [0~11/9/7/2f] Short/Forward/Roundhouse/any K if you are at a jumpable state. It is needed to wait at least 1 frame after leaving the charge direction to enter with the K button)
|Frame Count (Short)||1||2||2|
|Frame Count (Forward)||2||2||1|
|Frame Count (Rh)||3||1||1|
|Frame Count (Short)||2||2||25||5|
|Frame Count (Forward)||4||4||28||7|
|Frame Count (Rh)||5||5||31||8|
Guile becomes invulnerable for a split second, performing an acrobatic aerial kick that has good range and causes a full knockdown, however leaving himself vulnerable during a long recovery. The kick version determines how high the move hits and how much longer the recovery is, but the damage are almost the same. Short gives the fastest recovery while Roundhouse makes Guile jump higher, however yielding a longer recovery. It is recommended that one charges with ↙ so as to have a Sonic Boom available, if needed.
On the last active frame, Guile has a hurtbox of the exact same size of the hitbox which is placed exactly at the same coordinates, so don't be fooled by its looks, The move has very poor priority on that exact moment.
- Double Somersault Kick: (Charge ↓, → ← ↑ + K)
Detailed Input: (Charge ↓ for at least 60f, [0~7f] → [0~7f] ← [0~7f] ↑ [0~8/2f] K/if you are at a jumpable state)
|Damage||16 * 6|
|Stun||0~4 * 6|
|Stun Timer||20 * 6|
|Frame Count||1 +  + 3||1||1||2||1||1||4||2||2|
Guile becomes invulnerable and does a relatively fast Flash Kick that hits up to three times if up close, then a longer recovery one that also hits up to three times. Similarly to an ordinary Flash Kick, Guile is left vulnerable during the recovery.
This is a risky move, in general. It must be done from point-blank range to get hits to connect. It juggles air opponents for 4 hits. It is also a good wake-up tool, but generally unsafe. If the enemy blocks the move and last flash kick does not connect from a distance, all characters will be able to punish Guile for free.
Guile needs just about a second (60 frames) to charge his moves. This allows him to keep a constant wave of Sonic Booms coming, controling the space in front of him, while leaving himself vulnerable for little time, as the Sonic Boom is the fastest recovery projectile move in the game. His long range pokes allow him to punish mistakes and apply pressure of he decides to follow the Sonic Booms.
Guile wants to force characters without a projectile to jump or otherwise use some longer recovery move to avoid his Sonic Booms, then punish accordingly. Against motion projectile characters, Guile wants to take advantage of his fast charge time to throw as many Booms as possible, forcing the motion character to either throw too many projectiles as a counter, leaving themselves vulnerable for prediction attacks such as a jump-in, or throwing a projectile too late, getting punished by the reviled backfist punch or the knee bazooka (in case of Sagat's Low Tigers).
Even though Guile's Sonic Boom recovers fast, it has been given vulnerable hitboxes in front of the move. Also, most often he will not have a charge ready for the Flash Kick if the enemy jumps as you throw one. Finally, some moves such as Ryu's Tatsu can punish Guile for using a Sonic Boom, if close enough or as a prediction. As a result, Guile must feint while throwing projectiles, tricking the enemy into jumping over no Sonic Booms (eating a Flash Kick) or staying on the ground, getting pushed by the wave of Sonic Booms while accepting chip damage. Guile can feint or disturb his enemy by throwing different fast pokes while crouching, such as Jabs and Shorts, and using a cr.Fierce punch, which makes it look like Guile is on neutral position, apparently losing his vertical charge.
These are the only combos you should be trying to do.
- j.Fierce/RH, cl.Fierce/cr.Strong xx Flash Kick;
- j.Fierce/RH, Fierce xx Sonic Boom, Backfist (corner only);
- X-up Short, cr.Strong xx Flash Kick (for O.Guile you can swap the X-up LK to X-up MK but i think that only works on crouching opponents);
- X-up Short, cr.Short/cr.Jab x2 xx Flash Kick (Vs some characters you can do 3 cr jabs and the flash kick/super still connects) (chain cancel)
- cr.Forward (meaty), cr.Strong xx Sonic Boom or Flash Kick
- X-up Short, cr.Strong x2, flash kick (character specific)
The best way to land the super is on a cross-up aerial Short kick
- X-up Short, cr.Short/cr.Jab x2 xx Super (chain cancel)
- j.Rierce/Roundhouse, cr.Fierce xx super (super cancel)
You gotta be a superman to land this one. Dump the jumping attack and do the C.Fierce cancelled into super as a meaty If you really want to do the super off a forward jumping attack do it like this:
- j.Fierce/Roundhouse, cr.Strong xx Super
Extra notes All combos that end in a Sonic Boom can be followed by a Backfist (+Fierce) or donkey kick (far Roundhouse) if the enemy is cornered, for more damage and, most certainly, a dizzy. The X-up Short-cr.Strong and safe-jump-cr.Strong combos can be hit-confirmed, so you cancel into a Flash Kick if it hits, or apply some mix-ups if it does not. Possible actions are throw, cr.Short-cr.Forward block string, delayed Flash Kick or canceling into a Sonic Boom (non-cross-up safe-jump, only). With faster reflexes, you may also not use cr.Strong if it does not hit, but use cr.Short instead, which hits low, or got for the throw immediately. Diagonal aerial Roundhouse deals much higher stun damage than other similar attacks. Favor this move if you have mastered the timing or if you are sure it will hit (e.g., you have just guessed right that your enemy would throw a projectile).
Matchups classified with this diagram in mind. For the old characters i guessed the positions.
Serious Advantage Match-ups
- 8 - 2
Vs. E. Honda:
- 8 - 2
Keep him off you at all costs. Constantly fire booms to zone him out. In between booms do rapid fire jabs to discourage/stop headbutt. If he lands right in front of you with a butt slam you can sweep him with crouching roundhouse. Don't let him start neutral jumping over booms at full screen for free, jump at him with roundhouse to knock him out of the air and move back to full screen. He should never be close enough to you to sweep you or start doing hands, but if he gets in do your best to get away from him again. If he is bulldogging you just keep throwing your booms and poking while retreating a bit if necessary. Do whatever you need to do to trade with him (usually cr. fierce) if you can't cleanly knock him out of the air because trading and getting back to ideal spacing is MUCH better than blocking and letting him gain ground. Same thing applies to trying to combo/safe jump him. It's much better to just keep him out where you have the advantage than take the risk and give him an opportunity. Do not ever try to tick throw him or challenge the stored ochio in any way because if the Honda is any good you will almost certainly lose. If you are knocked down in the corner and start getting ochio'd you are most likely screwed but a reversal flash kick can get you out if he makes a mistake. This match is easy until he gets you in the corner with ochio. The key is to not give him an inch for free and keep him full screen. Punish any attempt to get in or close the distance between you.
Vs. Fei Long:
- 7.5 - 2.5
- 8 - 2
This is probably Guile's easiest matchup, but it's still important to know your options. Cr mk is the key move for Guile in this matchup as it has great range and is an effective poke, also beats lariats clean. His only option to beat this is a sweep, his cr mk sometimes works from far away, and stand short at max range for minimal damage. Once you have distance, you can zone him pretty easily as his methods of getting in are quite easy to punish.
Lariat: Can pass through fireballs, but is vulnerable to low attacks, use cr mk to stuff this, or at the very least force him to block and get pushed back to far away. When doing a meaty fireball you can afford to walk up and use cr mk to force block and discourage reversal lariat. Jump forward fierce is also a good meaty option following a meaty fireball to stuff this, since his head is vulnerable.
Green hand: Decent if he destroys a fireball with perfect timing and gets to spd range. Otherwise this is pretty unsafe. If this moves so much as hits you clean, you can punish with cr mp>flash kick, raw flash kick, sweep, cr mk etc. Whiffed green hand is usually punishable with sweep, backfist, and cr mk. If he gets one from far away and the timing is good, putting him at ideal spd range, best bet is to jump back if possible if you don't have time to do anything.
SPD and running grab can be flash kicked to prevent getting grabbed. If he manages to safejump you it might be worth taking the hit so you still have charge to reverse an spd, but he has ways of dealing with any option so avoid this at all costs. Basically unless he can cross you up, or get you down in the corner, you are still good.
Pokes: cr mk: Low attack with great range, not a bad idea to walk up sometimes and throw it out. Best punish to lariat, and also good for green hand and sweep whiffs.
Step kick (far stand hk): Pretty safe to use as it beats a lot of his good normals, also Guile's best ranged normal tied with the second hit of his sweep. God to use this after a blocked cr mk to keep the pressure going.
Backfist: Use sparingly, catch him walking up to you, loses to most of his attacks, the idea is to be patient and bait him to walk up, either by whiffing jab fakes, or walking backwards while he is 1/3 screen away. Can be used to punish green hand whiffs, and as an anti air from far away.
Forward sobat (forward+mk): Use super sparingly, ok to beat crouching normals, but use from max range to avoid getting grabbed after it lands.Not bad if you expect him to sweep as a poke, or to stuff your cr mk.
Anti airs: His low jump makes it easy, and his air normals all have similar range.
Standing jab: This can be used from a distance to stuff pretty much everything, best saved for when you expect him to do an air kick or jump forward fierce. Plenty of time to walk back, or walk up and max range meaty cr mk after.
Far fierce: Used like stand jab but has more startup and bad recovery, probably no reason to use this over stand jab other than the damage.
Backfist: Use from really far away, even if you trade he gets pushed back basically full screen.
cr mk/sweep: Trip guard. Use from a distance. Loses to the knee drop (down+mk during diagonal jump) but otherwise pretty good.
Sobat: From a distance this is fairly good, destroys the knee drop.
Crouching fierce: Use to hit during the first part for a good trade. Very consistent, use late. Best option if he is right above you.
Jumping roundhouse: If he jumps in from far away, this can be good to catch him early. Try to use as early as possible, you end up close after, in the corner you won't have time to retreat since the corner makes him land quicker, so best to avoid this when he's cornered.
Pressure: He's pretty weak when getting up since cr mk from far away is outside of spd range, and lariat gets stuffed. Use meaty fireballs for chip and pushback, occasionally walking up for a meaty cr mk to discourage and beat reversal lariat. He will get hit by the kick, and fall into the fireball for a two hit combo.
Sweep bait: After a meaty fireball walk up for a max range cr lk, either follow up with cr mk for a quick sequence. Or wait for a jump or risky option. One cool trick is to wait after the cr lk, and whiff punish a sweep on reaction with your sweep, or a cr mk. The cr lk leaves you outside of his sweep range, so you are safe unless he walks forward (and he should be too afraid of fireballs and cr mk to try this).
Safe crossup lk: Usually lariat will just beat it, or trade in his favour. You can use a trick to make it safe, but it's easy to block in this case. Do it so that it lands at the back of his legs, more of a safejump than a crossup. You can do some blockstrings like cr jabX2> stand jab>fireball. Or jump cancel one of the jabs to retreat.
Sweep trick: Meaty fireball, whiff the first hit either by getting just out of its range, or whiffing it before he gets up. So the second hit will land after the fireball, either comboing if he does not block for a knockdown, or being a blockstring if he blocks. The second hit pushes back a lot, and is very safe. The trick where you do a meaty fireball and sweep simultaneously can work, but it's not that useful on gief as he can sweep in between hits to knock you down.
- 6 - 4
Beat the Slide Punch
1) Standing short
Standing short beats not only the slide punch but also horizontal balls and Blanka's super. One of the sweetest things Guile can do is jab sonic -> standing short. If Blanka tries to slide under the sonic at max-range your short will hit him into it for a 2 hit combo.
2) Standing roundhouse
Try to catch him as he goes into the punch. Especially good if Blanka tries two slide punches in a row -- hit him with roundhouse in between. Blanka can beat Guile's standing roundhouse with his standing jab but if he's doing those jabs you can hit him with an old fashioned crouching forward.
3) Fierce Sonic
Mix these in with the jab sonic booms sometimes to try to catch him flinching.
No-charge Air Defense (Standard)
Any given option can be beat, so good anti-air is a matter of knowing the proper spacing and reading your opponent.
1) Crouching forward/roundhouse
Loses to a late Blanka jump fierce. You can also do the crouching forward a little late looking for a blocked hit. If Blanka is really sneaky he could forward hop over that one but you should have a Flash Kick charged by then so...
2) Vertical jump roundhouse / climbing jump fierce
If you're backed into the corner and you get beat air-to-air by a Blanka jump jab, note that you're vulnerable to his fierce ball trickery so be careful.
3) Crouching fierce This usually loses to Blanka's jump short but that ain't the end of the world. Do it early such that Blanka hits you high, and you can do a defensive two-way mix-up on the back end: sac-throw or Flash Kick. Crouching fierce a little later if you're trying to trade.
No-charge Air Defense (Non-standard)
At long range this is not unlike Sagat's standing fierce. Do it as late as possible to try to trade or beat Blanka's jumping jab/jumping roundhouse.
2) Far standing strong
3) Neutral or back+medium kick Sobat
4) Standing roundhouse
5) Standing short (!?)
Cross-up Short Blanka is a huge target for an ambiguous jump short -> crouching strong -> (hit confirm) flash kick. If your opponent has a reliable reversal vertical ball this doesn't mean much but...
Whiff -> Throw Trickery
Up close, joystick plus roundhouse (the upside down kick) and joystick plus medium kick (sobat) both miss. Whiff the kick and throw the beast. (nohoho)
- 6.5 - 3.5
Vs. T. Hawk:
- 6.5 - 3.5
Vs. O. T. Hawk:
- 6.5 - 3.5
Vs. Dee Jay:
- 5.5 - 4.5
This is slightly in Guile's favour thanks to better fireball recovery, and better defense in general. That said it's pretty much even, and dj has all the tools to win this. His fireball has 2 frames faster startup than Guile's, so be careful when waiting to fireball when up close. He has the horrible crossup shenanigans and touch of death combos, and some high priority normals to stuff Guile's.
Close range: His slide will go under your fireballs, but only if he touches you, the hit freeze allows him to clear it, otherwise he gets hit, or might trade when at a specific distance. It's usually best to use slow sonic booms when close since it's harder for him to slide under, and gives you more time to pressure/charge after each fireball is out. Crouching strong can usually counter his slide, cr mk and sweep are also decent as long as you are not too close. Of course you can use normals to punish his fireball startup, backfist can be used to punish his fireball recovery, but you have to be close, and of fireballed just slightly before him.
From further away: You can anti air him using cr mk and sweep outside of his jump forward hk range. Late cr hp is great in this match, far mp can also be good as well if spaced correctly (it can stuff his jump jab clean). He can try to slide in between his fireballs during a fireball war, this gets him closer but you can still keep up just fine, if he gets predictable with this, you can walk up and do cr mk or sweep to punish the slide, use sparingly though. You can use jump forward hk to punish his fireballs from very far away, but try not to be predictable.
Dealing with his normals: The slide is fairly straightforward, that can be countered with a well timed cr mp or sweep. His most annoying normals are his high priority ones, like cr mp, cr mk, and cr hp. Cr mp is pretty much exclusively a counter poke for dj in this match, it beats your sweep (first hit anyway), and cr mk. You can use a sobat to fly over and hit him in the head, or a step kick to trade from far away. As far as cr hp goes, this cancels during the first part, and can be used as an anti air in the fashion as Guile cr hp. But he may throw it out in between fireballs to stuff a low kick or sobat. Best option is to punish him during recovery, or just wait and fireball him. Cr mk is the hardest to counter, hit is safe vs sobats (it whiffs vs him since he low profiles it), and your low kicks and cr mp lose to it. This attack is also a knockdown on hit, so typically bad to trade. The best option I found was to just to not bother trying to counter and fireball from a safe distance. Second hit of your sweep seems to sometimes work though.
Pressure and punishment: His upkicks whiff if you crouch, so you can go for meaty crouching normals (just not cr hp, upkick will hit that) and get some pressure. Just watch out for the lk sobat since it can go over and punish lows. Here are some strings worth trying vs deejay after he is down. Cr jab x2 > throw/far mp into fireball/ cr lk/ cr mk/ cr jab into fireball. Meaty cr mk > cr mp/throw/cr lk (cr mp afterwards can be cancelled into flash kick for a combo if he gets hit by the meaty cr mk). Cr lkx2> throw/cr mk/ cr lk renda cancel into fireball, far mp> fireball. Cr mp> cr mp/far mp/ throw. Keep in mind far mp can be stuffed with upkicks, but this is a big risk for him, try to punish upkicks with a flash kick or normal before he lands.
If he does a super and you block, the hits usually whiff if he is not at point blank when he does it, during a whiffed hit you can do a flash kick to punish him.
Vs. Guile (self):
Vs. M. Bison (dictator):
- 5.5 - 4.5
Controlling space is very important. Do not let him trap you in the corner and start his mixups and tick throws. Zone him out with sonic booms, if he tries to jump at you knock him out of the air with jumping fierce or roundhouse. Be careful with your booms when he has super. If he does a psycho crusher that puts you in the corner, you can throw before he does right as you come out of blockstun, same thing with scissor kick. Sometimes you can backfist him after he passes through you with a psycho crusher but the timing is kind of iffy. If he tries to slide at you and stops right next to you, you can flash kick him as you come out of blockstun for a knockdown. Once you have him on the ground you can go for j. short, cr. strong xx flash kick pretty safely since he doesn't have a good reversal on wake up.
As long as you can keep him from getting close enough to harass you with standing forward and out of the corner then this matchup isn't too bad. You just have to be able to zone properly. Ideally you want to keep him at fullscreen. Sometimes I will do pre-emptive jumping fierce/roundhouse in between booms to discourage him from even trying to jump at me but this can be punished with psycho crusher as you come down.
Vs. Balrog (boxer):
- 4 - 6
You have no choice but to play the more defensive game here, his rushdown is too powerful and dangerous. Keep boxer out with sonic booms, and use safejumps to pressure/push him back out when you land a big punish. Guile has some good anti airs vs boxer as well, and long ranged normals.
At the start of the round, if you expect him to do any rush punch, do cr mp just very slightly after the round begins, it will beat them all clean. Same for crouching short (this can be rapid fired for better consistency, and proximity block) but this is at risk of getting caught by a headbutt, or cr mk. Other good options include whiffing a jab or two to fake a fireball, jumping back is also a good option. If you expect him to open up with standing fierce or any non low rush dash move, you can hold back to block it, if you crouch these rush moves and st hp whiff, this pushes you back to ideal range, keep in mind you are open to low rush. If you are really confident he will do dash punch, st hp, or headbutt at round start, you can start off with a sweep, this beats rush moves, st hp, and the second hit usually catches headbutt recovery.Basically it's just a case of creating that good range to safely zone.
Safejump pressure: Pretty easy since jab headbutt takes 11 frames to come out. Super is a little harder to safejump, but easily possible with practice. I like to do something basic at the start of a set/game and pay close attention to his movements. Look for when he crouches/stands up. Obviously it's likely he won't do the same thing every time. But you can use this to see what he wants to do when close. If you expect him to mash throw, you want to go for cr lk after the air normal, best to use weak air normals for this since they do less pushback. You can get usually 2 cr lk to combo if he is standing. Options are the same anyway. A single cr lk works as a tick, if he gets hit you can do st lk chain after the first cr lk, then cancel it into hk flash kick for a combo. Renda cancelling the single cr lk into flash kick or super also works, just not really viable as a hit confirm.
For the most pushback, try doing jump roundhouse, then close fierce into fireball. He cannot crouch stand fierce so don't worry about it whiffing. This will usually dizzy if he does not block as well. Try do the jump hk as late as possible for this to connect easier. If you do a jab sonic boom (recommended) you have enough charge for another as soon as he recovers from blockstun, allowing you to maintain keepaway range, just watch out if he has super.
Some other good setups include the above one but instead use a medium air normal to change his timing. Hitstun is the same for any strength air normal, but blockstun is not. He can't crouch standing jab either, so you can do weak air normal> stand jab> either walk up throw, or far stand mp into fireball (beats throw). He can super between the far mp and fireball since it does not actually combo. You can sub the stand jab for cr lk instead.
Anti airs: Obviously a flash kick is the best choice, likewise super beats everything clean. But otherwise... Crouch fierce: Actually not often used in this matchup, use it late to get a trade, can be done early to try get a sac throw if he is right above you.
Stand jab: Actually the best anti air vs boxer, use from as far away as possible. You can even jump cancel it to get a free safejump after, sick.
Far stand hp: Used like stand jab, but more damage. I usually prefer jab though.
Backfist: Really good if used right, do it from far away to trade with his jump ins, basically you are both like full screen after this trade, so great for guile.
Sobat: Surprisingly decent, use like st jab, usually st jab is preferred, but sobat reaches further.
Jump roundhouse: Usually a forward jump on reaction to hit him out the air, use instantly, very nice since he has a low jump, decent vs float punch as well.
Diagonal jump fierce: Better priority than jump hk but less range. Seems to beat everything.
cr mk/sweep first hit: Typical low anti air, his heavy air normals, and neutral jump hk beat these, but they beat everything else.
If he tries to float punch over fireballs and you can get close enough to punish, try backfist as he comes down, or cr mk is decent. Jump hk if you are far away.
Ground game: Just zone with fireballs, it's important to always have one on screen if possible to prevent him getting close, since you're usually dead if he gets in. If you suspect a headbutt walk forward and try punish with sweep, backfist, step kick, walk up throw etc. Jumps are a little easier since you can anti air from far away thanks to backfist and j hk having so much reach. When he has super be careful walking up, watch out for it after headbutts, or weak rush moves.
When you are close, and within normal range, you can use moves to push him away, step kick is great at max range, trades with cr mk and beats a lot of moves. Cr mk is also good, just watch out for his crouching kicks. Sobat kick goes over his cr mk and cr mp, good counter, but use sparingly.He can use st hp to beat or trade with sonic booms within range, you can use a cr mk to beat it, but honestly this is a needless risk usually, guile can crouch to make this move whiff completely.
You can use normals inbetween bad sonic booms to beat/discourage rush moves, keep in mind these are all punishable. Step kick is great if you expect him to attack since it is consistent, and leaves you at a good range after landing. Back sobat beats low rush, and far standing fierce seems to beat low rush as well. Cr mk is decent, but has vulnerable recovery and startup.
If he gets in, all I can suggest is be patient and look for a good time to escape. After throws you can try flash kick but do so sparingly. Cr jab/strong are ok to fend off walk up throws and upper whiffs into throw. After safe headbutt, he may try cr mp to beat your normals, and continue his pressure, all I can find to escape this is to flash kick his cr mp.
If he does a super when you are by the corner, it may slow down, you can flash kick/super or throw (recommend throwing him into the corner with a fierce throw) when this occurs. Though if he does an upper I think you only can get a cr lp/mp at best.
When he does not have super, you can do some meaties that are safe since headbutt takes so long to come out. Jabs, cr strong, and stand short are all ok. But crouching short and cr mk are the best ones since they hit low, and are safe on block anyways. Plus you can do them from a distance to be out of his mp throw range. Meaty cr lk is pretty effective after air to air j hk/ jump forward hp, or after a teched throw to apply pressure. Use all the standard mixups after as if it was a sobat. So cr mk, step kick, walk up throw, walk back, jump cancel, jab fakes are all great options.
- 4 - 6
Vs. O. Ken:
- 3.5 - 6.5
Objective: Get into the range just outside of sweep distance. Punish whatever he tries to do while trying to pressure him and baiting risky moves. Sonic Booms are a great tool due to low recovery.
Full screen: Throw booms and move forward by using bazooka knee or standing roundhouse. Make use of neutral jumps to avoid fireballs you don't have charge to cancel out while retaining your spacing.
Optimal range: Poke and throw booms to pressure while looking for a mistake to punish. If he throws a fireball too late, punish with backfist. If he tries a psychic DP, punish on the way down. Punish jump ins with Flash Kick or crouching fierce.You can jump in to punish a bad fireball with jumping Fierce/Roundhouse, crouching strong xx Flash Kick. Risky but sometimes worth it.
In the corner: Block and wait for an opportunity to throw a boom and backfist or punish him for a psychic DP/jump in.
Mix ups: After a knockdown use ambiguous jumping short, crouching strong xx Flash Kick. Hit confirm it and either finish the combo, go for a throw or finish with a boom to create some space.
Things to look out for:
Tatsu: These go over booms. Try to bait them out with jabs to feint Sonics. Flash Kick him or use crouching fierce to trade in your favor if you don't have a charge. Look out for short tatsu immediately followed by jab dp.
Juice Kick: He can do this to cross you up and hit you out of a flash kick. Don't take the bait and punish him on the way down.
Super: Be careful with your booms and pokes. Try to bait him into wasting it by feinting Sonics and jumping or blocking.
Crouch jab tech: Use a crouch jab at max range, his srk whiffs, and so does tatsu since you are crouching.You are also outside of his throw range. If he stands up he avoids it since his hitbox is less wide, but it's not likely he'll punish your cr jab whiff, and this leaves him open to a low kick. Use this after he blocks a fireball, after a blocked cr strong following a blocked cross up, when he gets up etc. Basically a save option that is safe against his srk.
Follow ups after safe cr jab: Wait : Just wait for him to do something like an srk whiff or jump/tatsu etc.
Walk back: Will have enough time to get out of his sweep range thanks to the frame advantage from cr jab, and Guile's superior walk speed. One good thing about doing this is that you can bait him to try a cr mk/hk after he blocks the cr jab, expecting it to hit you. You can whiff punish both of these with your sweep.
Neutral or forward sobat: Use to beat his low normals. Still pretty safe if he just blocks, only an srk/super or standing normal will be able to deal with this. And you have another set of options after your sobat lands.
Walk up throw: Risky but sometimes useful if you condition him to block.
Upside down kick: Done by getting slightly closer than usual when using the cr jab, therefore it's not safe vs the srk. But this seems to be a great option since it beats his low attacks and is a very strong, safe attack to use.
Low attack: Cr lk or cr mk, use like a frame trap, can lead to more mixups.
Fireball: Just fireball after the cr jab lands, or cancel it to keep the pressure going.
Serious Disadvantage Match-ups
- 1.5 - 8.5
Vs. O. Sagat:
- 3.5 - 6.5
Objective: Get into just outside sweep range to apply pressure and bait mistakes to punish. Be patient getting in but take enough risks to not eat chip damage all day.
Getting in: Throw as many Booms as you can while using bazooka knee or standing roundhouse to move yourself forward while retaining charge. Use neutral jumps to avoid getting pushed back by blocked Tigers. Be patient and don't jump in or you will eat standing fierce or Tiger Uppercut. If you must jump, do it when he is throwing a low Tiger and hit him with jumping forward (risky.)
Optimal range: You must apply enough pressure to bait him into doing something unsafe but not so much that he tiger uppercuts you and then tigers you back to fullscreen, it's a delicate balance. Use your sobat kick to punish him for throwing low Tigers, use low forward or sweep to punish high Tigers. If you cancel a Tiger with a Sonic hit him with one of your forward moving normals usually bazooka knee. You can use neutral jump fierce to punish low Tigers. Bait out psychic DPs and punish him as he lands. Look out for his sweep and standing short cancelled into Tiger Shot.
Vs. Vega (claw):
- 3 - 7
- Sliding is annoying
- No air defense when he jumps a sonic [from close]
- Difficult to okiseme
Pinned in the corner
- Use flash kick vs. chip damage attempt [rolling claw]
- Gamble flash kick vs. Izuna/Barcelona
- When you predict a wall dive fake out, fierce sonic
Anti Slide Kick
Unless he's right on top of you there's no good way to stop the slide kick. Gamble flash kick misses. Sonic trades unfavorably. Towards+medium kick sometimes works but you have to predict and Guile's down on a trade. [Far standing roundhouse works here and there, too.] Keeping quiet and blocking is safest. At least it doesn't do chip damage.
Also, after a blocked slide, sonic is not recommended. You'll eat crouching strong. If he gets predictable with blocked slide -> crouching strong you can flash kick but don't get carried away.
Bad range for Vega
Get into a more favorable position with jab sonics. Some breathing room. [half screen ish]
- Counter the jump in with crouching roundhouse.
- If he vertical jumps the sonic, use crouching forward. (Try to meet him in the air [w/ jump roundhouse or whatever] and you'll eat his vertical jab)
- If he blocks it, move back with back+medium kick and throw the next sonic.
[when you knock Vega down you want to try to tick but:]
- Very difficult to time safe jump in vs. Vega.
- Doesn't mean much since he's got standing flip kick.
- If he backflips you can't throw him.
- Even when you do get the throw he'll tech hit.
Risk reward stinks.
Ultimately, a blocked jab sonic might be best.(T.Akiba via nohoho)
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