O. Balrog (ST)

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Old Balrog's portrait in Super Turbo

Introduction

Picking Old Balrog

To select O.Balrog, choose Balrog and then press → ← ← → Jab or Fierce, pressing Short simultaneously with the punch button for the alternate color.

Normal Secondary
Balrog-old1.gif Balrog-old2.gif

--Born2SPD

New & Old Versions Comparison

Here is the list of differences:

  • Obvious stuff: O.Balrog can not tech throws, does not have the Low Straight Rush, Low Upper Rush and Super;
  • O.Balrog's Head Bomber (his grab) usually does more hits, but if the opponent actually mashes to escape it will not make much difference;
  • O.Balrog's Neutral Jumping Fierce can not be controlled;
  • O.Balrog's Straight Rush hits crouching opponents, and the Jab version knocks down, but the Fierce version doesn't;
  • O.Balrog's Upper Rush requires 2 frames of additional charging to come out;

O.Balrog is a very well balanced character that can compete with pretty much everyone on the cast (excluding maybe Zangief). The main reason to consider O.Balrog is that his Dashing Straight Punch can hit mid against the entire cast AND is faster than a low rush from N.Balrog. This can make dealing with fireball chuckers slightly more tolerable because it's easier to punish and trade (to your advantage). With that considered though, it isn't worth losing N.Balrog's low rush and super so this is a very unused character.

Moves Analysis

Disclaimer: To better understand the diagrams, read this.

Normal Moves

Ground Normals

  • Close/Far Standing Jab:
Damage 4[1] OBalrog stcljab1&3 stfarjab1&3.png OBalrog stcljab2 stfarjab2.png OBalrog stcljab1&3 stfarjab1&3.png
Stun 0~5
Stun Timer 40
Chain Cancel Yes
Special Cancel Yes
Frame Advantage +4
Frame Count 3 4 5
Simplified 1 + 3 4 5

Useful to cancel into super / rushes. Also good to stop some stuff (Honda's headbutts for example).

  • Crouching Jab:
Damage 4[1] OBalrog crjab1 crshrt1.png OBalrog crjab2.png OBalrog crjab3 crshrt3.png
Stun 0~5
Stun Timer 40
Chain Cancel Yes
Special Cancel Yes
Frame Advantage +5
Frame Count 2 4 4
Simplified 1 + 2 4 4

It's very fast and has the repeating property (something low short doesn't), but it has a different hit box. I really dont use low short much, only low jab for cheating and combos.

  • Close Standing Strong: (Base max activation range: 41)
Damage 24[1] OBalrog stclstrng1&3.png OBalrog stclstrng2.png OBalrog stclstrng1&3.png
Stun 5~11
Stun Timer 60
Chain Cancel No
Special Cancel No
Frame Advantage +7
Frame Count 5 4 7
Simplified 1 + 5 4 7


  • Far Standing Strong:
Damage 24[1] OBalrog stfarstrng1&5.png OBalrog stfarstrng2&4.png OBalrog stfarstrng3.png OBalrog stfarstrng2&4.png OBalrog stfarstrng1&5.png
Stun 5~11
Stun Timer 60
Chain Cancel No
Special Cancel No
Frame Advantage +7
Frame Count 3 3 4 3 4
Simplified 1 + 6 4 7

Second best anti-air move. Has more range than cr.HP.

  • Crouching Strong:
Damage 24[1] OBalrog crstrng1&5.png OBalrog crstrng2&4.png OBalrog crstrng3.png OBalrog crstrng2&4.png OBalrog crstrng1&5.png
Stun 5~11
Stun Timer 60
Chain Cancel No
Special Cancel Yes*
Frame Advantage +7
Frame Count 2 2 4 3 4
Simplified 1 + 4 4 7

This is his best ground attack, despite not hitting low. The entire arm is safe and cannot be hit, but can hit the enemy (it's a completely red hitbox, no blue). Can cancel into rushes and link into Super.

  • Close Standing Fierce: (Base max activation range: 31)
Damage 30[2] OBalrog stclfrc1&5.png OBalrog stclfrc2&4.png OBalrog stclfrc3.png OBalrog stclfrc2&4.png OBalrog stclfrc1&5.png
Stun 10~16
Stun Timer 80
Chain Cancel No
Special Cancel No
Frame Advantage +1
Frame Count 5 3 6 9 6
Simplified 1 + 8 6 15


  • Far Standing Fierce:
Damage 30[2] OBalrog stfarfrc1&5.png OBalrog stfarfrc2&4.png OBalrog stfarfrc3.png OBalrog stfarfrc2&4.png OBalrog stfarfrc1&5.png
Stun 10~16
Stun Timer 80
Chain Cancel No
Special Cancel No
Frame Advantage +1
Frame Count 5 3 6 9 6
Simplified 1 + 8 6 15

Great poke to use at max range. It _CAN'T_ hit the following opponents when they're crouching: Ryu, Blanka, Guile, Ken, Chun Li, Cammy and Dictator.

  • Crouching Fierce:
Damage 30[2] OBalrog crfrc1&5.png OBalrog crfrc2.png OBalrog crfrc3.png OBalrog crfrc4.png OBalrog crfrc1&5.png
Stun 10~16
Stun Timer 80
Chain Cancel No
Special Cancel No
Frame Advantage -1 / +1
Frame Count 5 2 4 11 6
Simplified 1 + 5 6 17

Best anti-air non-special. Hits early and late, unlike most moves in game.

  • Close/Far Standing Short:
Damage 4[1] OBalrog stclshrt1&3 stfarshrt1&3.png OBalrog stclshrt2 stfarshrt2.png OBalrog stclshrt1&3 stfarshrt1&3.png
Stun 0~5
Stun Timer 40
Chain Cancel No
Special Cancel Yes
Frame Advantage +4
Frame Count 3 4 5
Simplified 1 + 3 4 5


  • Crouching Short:
Damage 4[1] OBalrog crjab1 crshrt1.png OBalrog crshrt2.png OBalrog crjab3 crshrt3.png
Stun 0~5
Stun Timer 40
Chain Cancel No
Special Cancel Yes
Frame Advantage +5
Frame Count 2 4 4
Simplified 1 + 2 4 4


  • Close Standing Forward: (Base max activation range: 31)
Damage 26[1] OBalrog stclfrwrd1&3 stclrh1&3.png OBalrog stclfrwrd2 stclrh2.png OBalrog stclfrwrd1&3 stclrh1&3.png
Stun 5~11
Stun Timer 60
Chain Cancel No
Special Cancel Yes*
Frame Advantage +7
Frame Count 4 4 7
Simplified 1 + 4 4 7


  • Far Standing Forward:
Damage 26[1] OBalrog stfarfrwrd1&3.png OBalrog stfarfrwrd2.png OBalrog stfarfrwrd1&3.png
Stun 5~11
Stun Timer 60
Chain Cancel No
Special Cancel No
Frame Advantage +7
Frame Count 5 4 7
Simplified 1 + 5 4 7


  • Crouching Forward:
Damage 26[1] OBalrog crfrwrd1.png OBalrog crfrwrd2&4.png OBalrog crfrwrd3.png OBalrog crfrwrd2&4.png
Stun 5~11
Stun Timer 60
Chain Cancel No
Special Cancel No
Frame Advantage +8
Frame Count 2 3 6 4
Simplified 1 + 5 6 4

Catches some moves that go under Crouching Strong (like Vega's slide). Links into cr.Strong and the Super. Your move of choice to tick / combo in throw mixups. Quick recovery and great for hitting limbs in footsies (like Guile's d. Forward).

  • Close Standing Roundhouse: (Base max activation range: 41)
Damage 32[2] OBalrog stclfrwrd1&3 stclrh1&3.png OBalrog stclfrwrd2 stclrh2.png OBalrog stclfrwrd1&3 stclrh1&3.png
Stun 10~16
Stun Timer 80
Chain Cancel No
Special Cancel No
Frame Advantage +1
Frame Count 6 6 15
Simplified 1 + 6 6 15


  • Far Standing Roundhouse:
Damage 32[2] OBalrog stfarrh1&5.png OBalrog stfarrh2&4.png OBalrog stfarrh3.png OBalrog stfarrh2&4.png OBalrog stfarrh1&5.png
Stun 10~16
Stun Timer 80
Chain Cancel No
Special Cancel No
Frame Advantage +1
Frame Count 5 3 6 9 6
Simplified 1 + 8 6 15


  • Crouching Roundhouse:
Damage 32[2] OBalrog crrh1.png OBalrog crrh2.png OBalrog crrh3.png OBalrog crrh4.png OBalrog crrh5.png
Stun 5~11
Stun Timer 130
Chain Cancel No
Special Cancel No
Frame Advantage -2
Frame Count 4 4 6 5 13
Simplified 1 + 8 6 18

Best horizontal range out of his ducking moves and knocks down. Useful for footsies when a crouching Forward won't reach. Long recovery so be careful.

Aerial Normals

  • Neutral Jumping Jab:
Damage 16[1] OBalrog njjab1 njshrt1 djshrt1 njfrwrd1 djfrwrd1.png OBalrog njjab2 njshrt2 djshrt2 njfrwrd2 djfrwrd2.png OBalrog njjab3 djjab5 njstrng5 djstrng5 djfrc5 njfrc5 njshrt3 djshrt3 njfrwrd3 djfrwrd3 njrh5 djrh5.png OBalrog njjab4 njstrng6 njfrc6 njshrt4 djshrt4 njfrwrd4 djfrwrd4.png
Stun 1~7(-2)
Stun Timer 40


Frame Count 2 32 6
Simplified 2 32

Same as Neutral Jumping Short.

  • Diagonal Jumping Jab:
Damage 16[1] OBalrog djjab1&5 djstrng1&5.png OBalrog djjab2.png OBalrog djjab3.png OBalrog djjab4 djstrng2&4.png OBalrog djjab1&5 djstrng1&5.png OBalrog njjab3 djjab5 njstrng5 djstrng5 djfrc5 njfrc5 njshrt3 djshrt3 njfrwrd3 djfrwrd3 njrh5 djrh5.png
Stun 1~7(-2)
Stun Timer 40


Frame Count 1 2 30 3 3
Simplified 3 30

Lasts long with a slightly higher hitbox than the Jumping Strong but shitty priority.

  • Neutral Jumping Strong:
Damage 22[1] OBalrog njstrng1 njfrc1.png OBalrog njstrng2&4 njfrc2&4.png OBalrog njstrng3.png OBalrog njstrng2&4 njfrc2&4.png OBalrog njjab3 djjab5 njstrng5 djstrng5 djfrc5 njfrc5 njshrt3 djshrt3 njfrwrd3 djfrwrd3 njrh5 djrh5.png OBalrog njjab4 njstrng6 njfrc6 njshrt4 djshrt4 njfrwrd4 djfrwrd4.png
Stun 5~11
Stun Timer 50(+10)


Frame Count 2 4 14 4 6
Simplified 6 14


  • Diagonal Jumping Strong:
Damage 22[1] OBalrog djjab1&5 djstrng1&5.png OBalrog djjab4 djstrng2&4.png OBalrog djstrng3.png OBalrog djjab4 djstrng2&4.png OBalrog djjab1&5 djstrng1&5.png OBalrog njjab3 djjab5 njstrng5 djstrng5 djfrc5 njfrc5 njshrt3 djshrt3 njfrwrd3 djfrwrd3 njrh5 djrh5.png
Stun 5~11
Stun Timer 50(+10)


Frame Count 1 3 15 3 3
Simplified 4 15

Good horizontal range on this makes it useful for hitting fireballers when a jumping Roundhouse/Fierce won't reach.

  • Neutral Jumping Fierce:
Damage 28[1] OBalrog njstrng1 njfrc1.png OBalrog njstrng2&4 njfrc2&4.png OBalrog njfrc3.png OBalrog njstrng2&4 njfrc2&4.png OBalrog njjab3 djjab5 njstrng5 djstrng5 djfrc5 njfrc5 njshrt3 djshrt3 njfrwrd3 djfrwrd3 njrh5 djrh5.png OBalrog njjab4 njstrng6 njfrc6 njshrt4 djshrt4 njfrwrd4 djfrwrd4.png
Stun 3~9
Stun Timer 40


Frame Count 3 5 10 5 6
Simplified 8 10

Only N.Balrog can control this move in air.

  • Diagonal Jumping Fierce:
Damage 28[1] OBalrog djfrc1 djrh1.png OBalrog djfrc2&4 djrh2&4.png OBalrog djfrc3 djrh3.png OBalrog djfrc2&4 djrh2&4.png OBalrog njjab3 djjab5 njstrng5 djstrng5 djfrc5 njfrc5 njshrt3 djshrt3 njfrwrd3 djfrwrd3 njrh5 djrh5.png
Stun 3~9
Stun Timer 40


Frame Count 5 4 12 6
Simplified 9 12

Best air to ground priority available. Can crossup some characters.

  • Neutral/Diagonal Jumping Short:
Damage 16[1] OBalrog njjab1 njshrt1 djshrt1 njfrwrd1 djfrwrd1.png OBalrog njjab2 njshrt2 djshrt2 njfrwrd2 djfrwrd2.png OBalrog njjab3 djjab5 njstrng5 djstrng5 djfrc5 njfrc5 njshrt3 djshrt3 njfrwrd3 djfrwrd3 njrh5 djrh5.png OBalrog njjab4 njstrng6 njfrc6 njshrt4 djshrt4 njfrwrd4 djfrwrd4.png
Stun 1~7(-2)
Stun Timer 40


Frame Count 2 32 6
Simplified 2 32

Good jump-in for getting in close to start Boxer's combos and mixup strings since it doesn't push the opponent back too far. Also can be used as an instant overhead.

  • Neutral/Diagonal Jumping Forward:
Damage 22[1] OBalrog njjab1 njshrt1 djshrt1 njfrwrd1 djfrwrd1.png OBalrog njjab2 njshrt2 djshrt2 njfrwrd2 djfrwrd2.png OBalrog njjab3 djjab5 njstrng5 djstrng5 djfrc5 njfrc5 njshrt3 djshrt3 njfrwrd3 djfrwrd3 njrh5 djrh5.png OBalrog njjab4 njstrng6 njfrc6 njshrt4 djshrt4 njfrwrd4 djfrwrd4.png
Stun 5~11
Stun Timer 50(+10)


Frame Count 4 14 6
Simplified 4 14


  • Neutral Jumping Roundhouse:
Damage 28[1] OBalrog njrh1.png OBalrog njrh2&4.png OBalrog njrh3.png OBalrog njrh2&4.png OBalrog njjab3 djjab5 njstrng5 djstrng5 djfrc5 njfrc5 njshrt3 djshrt3 njfrwrd3 djfrwrd3 njrh5 djrh5.png
Stun 3~9
Stun Timer 40


Frame Count 4 4 11 5
Simplified 8 11

Slightly better priority as air to air than the Diagonal version.

  • Diagonal Jumping Roundhouse:
Damage 28[1] OBalrog djfrc1 djrh1.png OBalrog djfrc2&4 djrh2&4.png OBalrog djfrc3 djrh3.png OBalrog djfrc2&4 djrh2&4.png OBalrog njjab3 djjab5 njstrng5 djstrng5 djfrc5 njfrc5 njshrt3 djshrt3 njfrwrd3 djfrwrd3 njrh5 djrh5.png
Stun 3~9
Stun Timer 40


Frame Count 5 4 12 6
Simplified 9 12

Same as Diagonal Jumping Fierce.

--Graham, Shag, Tataki and Janus Gemini

Throws

To grab your opponent, hold towards or back and press Strong or Fierce punch. Boxer will hold the opponent in place for a few seconds and repeatedly headbutt them.

The first hit of the grab deals about 19.5% damage. Subsequent hits add almost 3% more each. If Boxer wiggles the joystick and/or mashes buttons while the grab is taking place, it will extend the duration. Similarly, his opponent may do the same to reduce the grab's duration. Sometimes people playing charge characters will elect to do this only for a moment before opting to charge during the grab's animation instead.

Weirdly, the Strong grab has more range than the Fierce grab even though they seem identical. You should favor using the Strong grab in situations where range is an issue.

Its known that O.Balrog have a higher default quantity of hits, which sounds great on paper but unless that the opponent does not mashes it will not be of much difference.

  • Head Bomber: (←/↖/↑/↗/→ + Strong/ or ←/→ + Fierce)
Damage 28 + 4*n OBalrog throw.png
Set amount of hits 12
Holds do no stun
Range (from axis) 64
(from throwable box) 37

NOTE: Balrog's grabs can only be activated when in Close Standing Strong/Fierce activation range (which also explains why Strong grab has more range), this means that Balrog is the only character in ST (this is not true for HSF2) that has an activation range on his throw/grab(i.e. like close normals). That throw range values/image above represents how his throw box actually is, but Balrog can't activate his grab from that max range because of the Close Normal range restriction, which will vary by what character your opponent is using. On top of that, different characters have different throwablebox sizes, which as a result made Balrog grab to have a "variable" range by matchups: on some matchups his grabs have a long range(Blanka, E.Honda), on others it has a very small range(Dhalsim, Zangief).
See the chart below for his exact throw range against all characters. The Range Advantage field is in comparison with the character Normal throw, not his Command throw, if he have any.

Strong / Fierce RY KE EH CH BL ZA GU DH TH CA FE DJ BX CL SG DI
Range (from axis) 51 / 41 51 / 41 64 / 58¹ 51 / 41 63 / 53 41 / 31 50 / 40 40 / 30 51 / 41 51 / 41 51 / 41 52 / 42 53 / 43 52 / 42 52 / 42 52 / 42
(from throwable box) 24 / 14 24 / 14 37 / 31¹ 24 / 14 36 / 26 14 / 4 23 / 13 13 / 3 24 / 14 24 / 14 24 / 14 25 / 15 26 / 16 24 / 14 24 / 14 25 / 15
Range Advantage +5 / -5 +5 / -5 +1 / -5¹ +1 / -9 +2 / -8 -10 / -20 +5 / -5 -11 / -21 +11 / +1 +7 / -3 +13 / +3 +7 / -3 +5 / -5 +9 / -1 +1 / -9
Max dist. between axes 80 / 70 80 / 70 93² / 86¹ 76 / 66 93 / 83 86 / 76 80 / 70 80 / 70 86 / 76 76 / 66 80 / 70 82 / 72 80 / 70 80 / 70 84 / 74 80 / 70

¹ Fierce has 10 pixels less range than Strong, minus against E.Honda where its only 6 pixels less.
² His throwbox is activated out of range, but its only possible by 1 pixel.

--Born2SPD

Special Moves

  • Straight Rush: (Charge ←, →, P)

Detailed Input: (Charge ← for at least 70f, [0~7f] → [0~11/9/7f] Jab/Strong/Fierce. It is needed to wait at least 1 frame after leaving the charge direction to enter with the P button)

Jab Strong Fierce OBalrog srush1.png OBalrog srush2.png OBalrog srush3.png OBalrog srush4.png Jab & Fierce Strong
Damage 28[3] 30[3] 32[3] OBalrog srush5.png OBalrog srush5strng.png
Stun 7~13
Stun Timer 90
Frame Advantage +4

Frame Count (Jab) 2~8 3 8 6 4
Simplified (Jab) 5~11 8 10
Frame Count (Strong) 2~16 3 8 6 4
Simplified (Strong) 5~19 8 10
Frame Count (Fierce) 2~25 3 8 6 4
Simplified (Fierce) 5~28 8 10

The main (only?) reason anyone considers picking O. Rog. Comes out fast. Unlike N.Balrog's version of this move, it does not whiff against crouching characters. On the other hand the Fierce version does not knocks down but Jab does.

LP version is useful as a mid-range poke/punisher and has better priority than the st. FP, good for stuffing or trading with fireballs. Use the MP version from full screen to trade with fireballs. FP version is usually only used for going the distance on a retreating opponent.

Due to its range, the LP version is a good punisher for whiffed Shoryukens and such. It can get to an opponent faster than N.Balrog's low rush.

  • Upper Rush: (Charge ←, →, K)

Detailed Input: (Charge ← for at least 62f, [0~7f] → [0~11/9/7f] Short/Forward/Roundhouse. It is needed to wait at least 1 frame after leaving the charge direction to enter with the K button)

Short Forward Rh OBalrog urush1.png OBalrog urush2.png OBalrog urush3.png OBalrog urush4.png OBalrog urush5.png
Damage 26[3] 28[3] 32[3]
Stun 7~13
Stun Timer 90
Frame Advantage +8

Frame Count (Short) 3 1~5 3 8 6
Simplified (Short) 7~11 8 6
Frame Count (Forward) 3 1~13 3 8 6
Simplified (Forward) 7~19 8 6
Frame Count (Rh) 3 1~21 3 8 6
Simplified (Rh) 7~27 8 6

Good anti-air. Whiffs on crouching characters. HK version is good for hitting people jumping backwards, especially at the beginning of the round.

  • Turn Around Punch a.k.a. TAP: (Charge PPP or KKK for at least a half second, then release)

Detailed Input: (Charge requirements: One = 30f, Two = 120f, Three = 240f, Four = 480f, Five = 960f, Six = 1440f, Seven = 1920f and Final = 2400f)

Damage OBalrog tap1.png OBalrog tap2.png OBalrog tap3.png OBalrog tap4.png OBalrog tap5.png OBalrog tap6.png OBalrog tap7.png OBalrog tap8.png OBalrog tap9.png
One 28[0] Two 34[10]
Three 34[11] Four 34[12]
Five 34[13] Six 34[14]
Seven 34[15] Final 34[16]
Frame Count 4 4 4 7 2 2 2 2 12
Simplified 27 12
  • Recovery:
Stun 9~15 OBalrog tap10.png OBalrog tap11.png
Stun Timer 100
Frame Advantage +0


Frame Count 6 4
Simplified 10

Attacks that increase in strength and speed over time, making them hard to predict. They also have great hit properties able to hit nicely and on crouching opponents like his straight rush. Lastly, they can be used without being 'charged' like a rush punch or headbutt. --Graham

There is no difference move wise but you want to use the 3K version so you have access to his punch moves: st.FP, cr.MP, throw, rush punches and buffalo headbutt. --Shag

The Turn-Around Punch has eight levels, 1~7 and Final. The longer you hold the buttons, the higher the level you'll get. You can combo a cr.Strong into a rush punch after a 4+ meaty TAP.

It's possible to charge two TAP's at once, one with the PPP and the other with KKK. -- Janus Gemini

  • Buffalo Headbutt: (Charge ↓, ↑, P)

Detailed Input: (Charge ↓ for at least 66f, [0~7f] ↑ [0~11/9/7/2f] Jab/Strong/Fierce/any P if you are at a jumpable state. It is needed to wait at least 1 frame after leaving the charge direction to enter with the P button)

Jab Strong Fierce OBalrog hb1.png OBalrog hb2.png OBalrog hb3.png Jab Strong Fierce OBalrog hb5.png OBalrog hb6.png OBalrog hb7.png Strong Only
Damage 18[2] 20[2] 22[2] OBalrog hb4jab.png OBalrog hb4strng.png OBalrog hb4frc.png OBalrog hb8strng.png
Stun 9~15
Stun Timer 100
Frame Advantage -10 / -6 -7 / -3 -10 / -5

Frame Count (Jab) 6 5 4 7 4 12 5
Simplified (Jab) 11 11 21
Frame Count (Strong) 7 6 4 5 4 11 4 1
Simplified (Strong) 13 9 20
Frame Count (Fierce) 8 7 5 6 4 12 5
Simplified (Fierce) 15 11 21

Anti-air special. Its active frames come in quite late for a reversal, making safe-jumps easier to do against Balrog. Useful to avoid some fireballs (don't use against Sim since he can Standing Roundhouse you on reaction), set up grabs (whiff it so you land just in front of your opponent), get out of Vega's walldive shenanigans, stuff things after a blocked rush / etc.

Note that it can be made safe on block, just make sure it will hit near the last attacking frames. You can then try to grab the opponent.

You can keep your charge (to do rushes as you land) if you do it with up/back instead of up or up/forward.

Jab: This version comes out the quickest (11 startup frames), travels the least, and has the best priority. It cleanly beats N. Ryu's and N. Ken's Shoryukens, and even Claw's Flipkicks if timed right, so it can be very deadly in throw mixups. Probably his most abusable move.

Strong: This version has the worst priority and will not reliably go through fireballs. I only use it when trying to stuff pokes and things from the appropriate distance.

Fierce: This version travels the farthest but comes out the slowest (15 startup frames). Slightly worse priority than the LP version. You can use this in conjunction with the Knockdown Rush Uppercut to travel across the screen while keeping charge. For example, an advanced tactic against fireballers is to do a LK Knockdown Rushdown Punch just before they release their projectile, and then use the FP Headbutt to travel through the projectile and hit them during their recovery.

--Janus Gemini

The Basics

Advanced Strategy

Match-ups