Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo/Vega
- 1 Introduction
- 2 Move Analysis
- 3 The Basics
- 4 Advanced Strategy
- 5 Combos
- 6 Match-ups
- 6.1 Serious Advantage Match-ups
- 6.2 Advantage Match-ups
- 6.3 Fair Match-ups
- 6.4 Disadvantage Match-ups
- 6.5 Serious Disadvantage Match-ups
Vega is the self-proclaimed most handsome fighter in the world. He wears a mask in his fights to help protect his beautiful face and a claw on his hand to slash down opponents with ease. He also features a nifty snake tattoo that covers much of his torso and one arm.
Vega, from Spain, is sometimes known as the Spanish Ninja because of his blending of the matador and ninjitsu styles.
--Vega 15:54, 6 February 2006 (CST)
Vega is considered top tier in ST, to the point where he was sometimes softbanned in Japanese tournaments. His wall dive loops are incredibly hard to stop even at the highest levels, and apart from that he is diverse enough to zone, run away, and rushdown successfully. He has a unique combination of speed and range, making him best suited for a hit and run playstyle.
Strengths & Weaknesses
- Fastest walk speed in the game
- Second longest range behind Dhalsim
- Tall, narrow, fast jump is perfect to get around fireballers
- Great normals and useful specials
- Excellent at controlling distance
- Build meter very fast with his kickx3 backflip, and his super can't be wasted
- Arguably no bad matchups
- Walldive is very difficult for a lot of the cast to consistently deal with, and can be used for safe 50/50 on most characters wakeup
- He is weak - dizzies easily, low priority, trade-hits rarely in his favor
- Low damage, low combo ability unless at point blank range
- Long-range normals make him awkward up close
New & Old Versions Comparison
To select O.Vega, choose Vega and then press ← → → ← Jab/Fierce, pressing Short simultaneously with the punch button for the alternate color.
Here is the list of differences:
- Obvious stuff: O.Vega can not tech throws, does not have the Scarlet Terror special move and Super;
- O.Vega cannot pick his claw back up once it has been knocked off;
- O.Vega has some differences in some of his normals:
- Close Standing Strong can be special canceled;
- Close Standing Forward can be special canceled;
- Far Standing Forward can be special canceled;
- O.Vega's Flying Barcelona Attack have a buggy input detection: the kick button is ignored while on prejump frames;
- O.Vega's Flying Barcelona Attack have a "suck-in" property on hit: the opponent always falls in the direction of the wall O.Vega dived from;
O.Vega is not worthy, mainly because the loss of Scarlet Terror, which is Vega's dedicated anti air/counter move and the only proper reversal. His new cancels aren't that great, and his suck in Wall Dive isn't really beneficial because you normally don't want opponents to be pushed towards you, especially in the corner. Also, the opponent's body is still turned the correct way so you can't create any confusion on what side you hit. The only minor interesting bit to this glitch is that since the opponent's body sucks in towards you, you can force him to lose charge by sliding underneath but it's so obvious and inefficient that it can hardly be counted as a benefit.
Disclaimer: To better understand the diagrams, read this.
Losing the claw makes all punch attacks (including specials) to do less damage. Also, ground punch normals and some specials will have worse priority.
- Close/Far Standing Jab:
|Simplified||1 + 4||4||5|
Very short range, misses crouching opponents. Sometimes useful as quick anti-air against late crossups.
- Crouching Jab:
|Simplified||1 + 3||4|
Very quick and long range. These do not combo, but the window to counter is very narrow. This move goes past the opponent and whiffs at point blank range.
- Close Standing Strong: (Base max activation range: 49)
|Simplified||1 + 5||4||9|
A high claw that misses crouching characters. Unlike a normal Strong, you can combo after it. Note that only O.Vega can special cancel this move.
- Far Standing Strong:
|Simplified||1 + 7||6||10|
Lunges forward with good range. Hitbox has a little more height than Far Standing Fierce, but less horizontal reach.
- Crouching Strong:
|Simplified||1 + 3||4|
Like the Crouching Jab. But 4.5 times more damage, a little more range, same starting frames (only 3, Claw fastest normal), and longer recovery. Also misses at point blank range vs some characters.
- Close Standing Fierce: (Base max activation range: 53)
|Simplified||1 + 6||6||10|
Somewhat like Close Standing Strong. Not really useful.
- Far Standing Fierce:
|Frame Advantage||+0 / +3|
|Simplified||1 + 8||9||13|
This is Vega's longest range move, and does good damage. It has a lot of startup time and stays out a long time. You can press it early from 1/2 screen and catch people walking in or trying to fireball.
- Crouching Fierce:
|Simplified||1 + 8||8|
A crouching upwards-angled claw. This is decent anti-air against people with low jumps like Zangief or Balrog, and you keep your charges too. After a blockstring, you can throw this out and catch the opponent jumping on the way up.
- Close Standing Short: (Base max activation range: 41)
|Simplified||1 + 4||4||5|
A quick knee. Different animation than Far Short, but works the same.
- Far Standing Short:
|Simplified||1 + 4||4||5|
A very quick knee attack with good priority. Useful for tick throwing. This attack goes over a lot of low shorts and low medium kicks, making it very useful in footsie games.
- Crouching Short:
|Simplified||1 + 4||4||5|
OK to push away someone that's too close.
- Close Standing Forward: (Base max activation range: 49)
|Simplified||1 + 5||6||9|
Vega does a different kick than Far Forward, but it works the same. Note that only O.Vega can special cancel this move.
- Far Standing Forward:
|Simplified||1 + 5||6||10|
A straight kick with decent range. This beats some attacks that stuff your low claws, like Balrog's Crouching Forward. Note that only O.Vega can special cancel this move.
- Crouching Forward:
|Simplified||1 + 4||4||7|
A very useful low kick. You can always link another Crouching Forward or a Crouching Strong after this to keep opponents at your preferred distance. You can whiff these on purpose if they like to Psychic DP your claw pokes.
- Close Standing Roundhouse: (Base max activation range: 33)
|Simplified||1 + 6||6||10|
Animates the same as a normal Far Forward. Leaves Vega at frame advantage.
- Far Standing Roundhouse:
|Simplified||1 + 8||8||17|
High anti-air kick with great range. Hits many air moves including T.Hawk's dive, Honda's butt slam, and Fei's chicken wing. It can beat a lot of different aerial moves but it has a fairly slow startup so you need to press it early.
- Crouching Roundhouse:
|Simplified||1 + 7||17||14|
A Slide. This can be punished up close, but is safe at long distance. Often trades hits with fireballs.
- Neutral Jumping Jab:
High claw attack with excellent startup.
- Diagonal Jumping Jab:
High claw attack. Not useful because it's totally outprioritized by neutral Jumping Strong.
- Neutral Jumping Strong:
Same animation as J.Jab. This has some use in air-to-air vs. high jumpers like Chun Li or M.Bison.
- Diagonal Jumping Strong:
Same animation as Diagonal Jumping Jab but with better damage potential. This move has the longest horizontal range of all Vega's jumping moves. When you're jumping shoto/sagat fireballs from long range, you can use this to catch the tip of their extended arms.
- Neutral Jumping Fierce:
Vega's aerial move with better horizontal priority. Can beat a lot ait-to-air by anticipation.
- Diagonal Jumping Fierce:
Good combo opener, very good priority and hits low to the ground, making it excellent for safe jumps.
- Neutral Jumping Short:
A worse version of Neutral Jumping Forward but with more attacking frames. Avoid this move.
- Diagonal Jumping Short:
Low range, low damage, not very useful.
- Neutral Jumping Forward:
Counters a lot of special moves like Honda's Torpedo or Blanka's Horizontal Ball.
- Diagonal Jumping Forward:
It's not a bad move, it has a decent priority, but since Fierce is straight better then use that instead.
- Neutral Jumping Roundhouse:
Like the Diagonal Jumping Roundhouse but with bigger hitbox.
- Diagonal Jumping Roundhouse:
Best jumping attack with decent range. Vega can sometimes cross up with this but it's extremely difficult.
Vega can throw using Strong and Fierce. He can air throw that way as well. The direction of the joystick determines the direction the enemy gets thrown at. All his ground throws have the same range and do 32 points of damage (plus two more if behind in rounds).
- Rainbow Suplex: (←/↖/↗/→ + Strong/Fierce)
|(from throwable box)||20|
In terms of range among the cast, it's around the middle. Claw's fast walk speed gives him a decent throw game.
- Stardust Drop: (Min activation height: 48/48 upwards/downwards, ←/↖/↙/↘/↗/→ + Strong/Fierce)
|(from throwable box)||34|
This is kind of a double edged sword, your fast jump lets you use it quickly, however you don't have much time to actually use it. The throwbox also makes it awkward to space in some cases.
- Back Slash a.k.a. Punch Back Flip: (3P)
Detailed Input: (Can be done crouching, all buttons must be pressed on the same frame, negative edge not possible)
The punch version is a double flip which lasts longer. It is completely invincible, but has a brief period of recovery at the end. It is handy for getting out of tick situations, but if you over-use it, the opponent will catch on and sweep you as it's ending. If your back is to the wall, this move also lets you go through fireballs, but your opponent walks towards you the screen will scroll at it will still hit you.
- Short Back Slash a.k.a. Kick Back Flip: (3K)
Detailed Input: (Can be done crouching, all buttons must be pressed on the same frame, negative edge not possible)
The kick version is quicker and doesn't move you very far back. You can use this early to go through some jump attacks - your recovery frames will be over before they land and you can throw them for free. Another good use is to stand next to your opponent after a knockdown, and backflip as they rise. Any reversal they do will whiff and leave them open. Repeated kick backflips can be used to charge your super meter very quickly.
- Rolling Crystal Flash: (Charge ←, → P)
Detailed Input: (Charge ←/↙/↖ for at least 71f, [7~14f] → [10/9/7f] Jab/Strong/Fierce. It is needed to wait at least 1 frame after leaving the charge direction to enter with the P button)
- Active part 1:
- Jab Version: This does not occur.
- Strong Version: This happens only once.
- Fierce Version: This happens twice.
- Active part 2 + Recovery:
Fierce roll is 4 hits of chip damage and good for finishing off a low-life opponent (note pun). Fierce & Strong rolls are not reliable and will often not combo all the hits even at close range. Jab roll should be your only one used, and is nice at pressuring from long range. The last hit of all rolls can be followed up with C.Jab or C.Strong which will combo. Time a jab roll so just the tip of the claw hits them on wakeup. It has a wide hitbox and will stay out and hit them after the invincible frames of their reversal.
- Wall Dive: (Charge ↓, ↑ K)
Detailed Input: (Charge ↓/↙/↘ for at least 61f, [7~14f] ↑/↖/↗ [11/9/7/3f] Short/Forward/Roundhouse/any K if you are at a jumpable state. It is needed to wait at least 1 frame after leaving the charge direction to enter with the K button)
NOTE: In HSF2 N.Vega's Flying Barcelona Attack have a buggy input detection: the kick button is ignored while on prejump frames. To avoid this bug you can kara-cancel the kick button, by activating the dive on the kick button's release or by pianoing all kick buttons.
- Flying Barcelona Attack: (P, while diving from Wall Dive)
- Izuna Drop: (←/↖/↙/↘/↗/→ + P, while diving from Wall Dive)
|(from throwable box)||25|
- Landing frames:
By pressing ↖ or ↗, you control which wall Vega will jump to. With ↑ Vega will always go to the nearest wall.
Once airbourne, you have control over your speed by holding ← or →. With this, you can speed up and slow during the same jump, and 'curve' your flight around dragon punches / antiair normals.
Vega is slow when jumping towards the wall, then faster when he flies off it. You can minimize the delay by being at the very edge of the screen.
The Barcelona attack has a huge hitbox and moves very fast, making it an exceptional hard to block crossup. If you knock down your opponent, you can repeat it over and over.
Every character has basic standing & jumping normals that will counter the wall dive. Using it randomly is often countered, so save it for wakeup, against fireballs, to run away when you're leading in health, and to bait counter-attacks:
Ryu - at full screen, you can Wall Dive in anticipation, and safely hold back if he does nothing, or catch him with the throw if he does a fireball.
Ken - Ken's Fierce DP will hit you even if you're holding back, so limit to ambiguous crossups.
Honda - if he's being a defensive turtle, you can crossup dive to cancel his headbutt charge, then come in from straight above to avoid the butt slam.
Chun - J.Short easily stuffs dives from any range. Get her with fakes or on wake-up only.
Blanka - Vertical Ball destroys the dive in every possible situation.
Zangief - His 3P Lariat beats most attacks, but you can hit his head cleanly with the tip of your claw while flying over him.
Guile - Flash kick still hits you even when he's facing the wrong direction, so use fakes from max range and Slide him if he falls for it.
Dhalsim - His normals hit you out of dives easily, but he has no wakeup options besides teleporting away.
Fei Long - Like Guile, limit yourself to fakes to bait a Flame Kick.
Cammy - Roundhouse Cannon Spike will get you from very long range, but if you cross up and attack from on top, you can make it miss.
T. Hawk - Same as Cammy - angle your dive high and fast to get behind his long range Rising Hawk.
Dee Jay - His Triple Kick is weak if you're right on top of him, so try to get him in a corner then go off that corner wall, to fall right on his head.
Balrog - Headbutts and C.Fierce beat dives every time, and fakes are easy for him to dash punch. Use very sparingly.
Vega - Vega can Flipkick a dive, or 3K backflip through one if he's crossed up or on wakeup. As long as you crossup, it's pretty safe to use.
Sagat - High fireballs tend to hit you if you're trying to ↗ cross him up. Stay on the ground against him.
Bison - He has no reversal and his air moves lose if you do the claw high and early. Dive on him all day long.
Vega has some recovery frames after he lands from the claw attack, but he's only really vulnerable during the "small hop" he does when landing. He recovers once he touches the ground again, meaning the frames with the * on the hitbox diagram above simply means thats the animation Vega will stay it in case he does nothing, but on the first grounded frame it's perfectly possible to do a move or to block, for example.
- Sky High Claw: (Charge ↓, ↑ P)
Detailed Input: (Charge ↓/↙/↘ for at least 61f, [7~14f] ↑/↖/↗ [11/9/7/3f] Jab/Strong/Fierce/any P if you are at a jumpable state. It is needed to wait at least 1 frame after leaving the charge direction to enter with the K button)
- Claw attack: (P, while diving from Sky High Claw. The strength of the attack is determined by the P button you activated the Dive, not the one you're using to attack)
|Frame Count (Jab)||20||13-|
|Frame Count (Strong)||16||17-|
|Frame Count (Fierce)||12||21-|
- Knockback/Vega dives full screen, crosses the opponent, but does not touches the end of screen, lands:
- Vega dives full screen, touches the end of screen and then lands:
|Frame Count (Jab)||20||12|
|Frame Count (Strong)||13||12|
|Frame Count (Fierce)||8||12|
By pressing ↖ or ↗, you control which wall Vega will jump to. With ↑ Vega will always go to the nearest wall.
Vega goes off the wall and shoots himself directly at the opponent with a claw. You do not have any control once in the air. Doing this with Jab will make him fly higher: this will hit jumpers, but completely miss someone on the ground. Fierce on the other hand will make him fly very low, or at least low enough to hit all crouchers as long the opponent is far enough when Vega touches the wall. Strong is in between these Jab and Fierce: it can hit most standing opponents but will most likelly whiff if they crouch. This move has a small chance of catching someone by surprise, but leaves you vulnerable if blocked. The best use of this move is against people who jump up to counter your Wall Dive, like Chun Li or M.Bison often do.
Not everyone is aware of this, but you can actually press a punch button again while Vega is flying to do an extended claw attack. This attack do more damage and have better range than the default attack, but as a compensation it does not stays active for the whole move. For some strange reason, the strength of that attack is determined by the initial punch input (the one that made claw go to the wall), not the one that triggers the attack.
Against some fireballs like Guile's sonic and Sagat's low, you can wait until the fireball is close to you, then do this move so that the fireball passes under you as you are touching the back wall. It won't punish them, but gets you right next to them from full screen and is very surprising. This is good for chipping out the last hit of a nearly dead opponent.
- Scarlet Terror a.k.a. Flip Kick: (Charge ↙, → K)
Detailed Input: (Charge ↙ for at least 71f, [7~14f] → [10/9/7f] Short/Forward/Roundhouse. It is needed to wait at least 1 frame after leaving the charge direction to enter with the K button)
NOTE: There is a bug in the input of this move which allows you to still keep the charge if you go to ↖ or ←, but only after you charged ↙ for at least 71 frames. In HSF2 this was fixed, but it has a "hidden" version of Vega which still has this bug. To select it, hold start while choosing the character version, if done right you'll hear a different sound.
- Startup + Active:
|Frame Count (Short)||4||3||2||3||2||4||5|
|Frame Count (Forward)||4||3||2||3||2||4||7|
|Frame Count (Rh)||4||3||2||3||2||4||9|
Vega's reversal/counter move. The Roundhouse version hits twice, and another flip kick (of any strength) can be combo'd immediately after to juggle (unless your opponent is in the corner). To do so, after the K input for the first flip kick, start charging again ↙, then wait for Vega to reach the last stage of his flip kick animation (when he touches the floor with his feet but is not yet in normal standing mode) then press →, K. If you mess the timing, Vega will probably whiff a normal kick. Some characters are easier to combo than others.
Use Roundhouse as anti-air to juggle for big damage, and Short to counter ground moves - it's quick recovery gives you a chance to throw if you miss. As a curiosity, the Roundhouse version is the only one that can avoid Low Tigers during the rising part.
A not widely known property of this move is that Vega will actually do more damage with the Forward and Roundhouse versions if he is not wielding his claw. Plus, if Vega's clawless then the Forward will do 2 hits as well as have a different (worse) hitbox on that second hit.
- Rolling Izuna Drop: (Charge ↓, → ← ↑ K. Hitting any punch when next to the opponent performs the super. Otherwise, he will just do a regular Wall Dive)
Detailed Input: (Charge ↓/↙ for at least 61f, [15~22f] →/↘/↗ [15~22f] ←/↙/↖ [15~22f] ↑/↖/↗ [15/3f] K/if you are at a jumpable state)
|Damage||20 + 20 + 34|
|(from throwable box)||25|
By pressing ↖ or ↗, you control which wall Vega will jump to. With ↑ Vega will always go to the nearest wall.
This move behaves exactly like the Wall Dive. Unlike future Capcom games, the super is not activated until the throw connects. You can still press P to claw attack normally.
Vega can charge his super meter in a couple seconds with 3K flips. Although the super isn't easy to connect with, it is still a very threatening option: Opponents have to assume every Wall Dive is real, or risk losing half their health in one shot. This makes it much easier to bait Dragon Punches and punish their mistakes.
- Neutral/Back Jump:
|Frame Count (Neutral)||2||1||1||22||4||10||1||7*|
|Frame Count (Back)||2||1||1||22||4||10||1||7*|
- Forward Jump:
Claw's prejump is of average speed, but he has the overall fastest jump on the game. This makes Claw a very "slippery" character that is also very hard to be zoned out.
Claw, just like Chun, has the abillity to do wall jumps. Thats why the Forward Jump has a '+' on the final frame of the aerial jumping part: that animation will have longer duration in case it's a wall jump.
The landing recovery has a special property which allows it to be "canceled"/skipped depending on what you do. At the first landing frame, it's not possible to jump again (i.e. can't go directly to the prejump animation), to have a move to startup instantly (normal and special moves) or to block (which is why sweeps can be used as anti airs in this game), but you can do all that on the second landing frame. Throws are an exception and can be performed on the first landing frame(not the first ground throwable frame) and this includes command throws too, but since the hitbox-hurtbox interaction have priority over the throwbox-throw vulnerabillity box interaction, this can't be used as a counter to well timed anti air sweeps. You'll only be stuck for the entirety of the landing recovery if you want to walk back/forward.
Things are different on jumps that crosses over the opponent (landing on the other side) though. In that situation it's possible to walk back/forward, to jump again or to even block on the first landing frame! Strangelly, if a throw is timed on the first landing frame of a jump that crosses over, a throwbox will never come out, even though that input will result in a normal coming out 2 frames later (like it normally would). Anyway, being able to block on the first landing frame can help a little bit on some safe jump crossup setups, or maybe in other situations as well if your character has a huge jump arc.
- Wall Jump: (In air near corner/wall, any direction away from the corner/wall)
It should be noted, that like Chun, Claw has a command wall jump, you can actually do this during an air normals startup, active, or recovery frames. And you can do another normal after jumping off the wall. Likewise, you can air throw, then jump off the wall, and attack or air throw again.
Overall this is not very useful, unlike Chun, Claw falls much slower when he jumps off the wall, so you stay in the air for quite a while. If you need to get out of the corner, or want to move in the air, then the walldive is usually way better for that.
Punch Wall Dive / Sky High Claw
Punch Wall Dive (AKA. PWD) is a super-fast (under certain conditions), low priority (defeated by many normals), suprising (jumps all around the screen), long recovery (some chars can punish it even after a successful hit!), good damage (with claw extended does about same damage as a throw) and a generally speaking weird tool. Note that K button determines trajectory, and P button determines strength. Always use Fierce P.
Some sporadical uses:
- Chip Damage Finisher:
Special, super-fast, chaotic and “jumping all over the screen” are perfect features for dealing the last point of chip damage. Just PWD on the back wall and flight towards the opponent in a righteous blitz of glory. If the enemy expects this, he may go to a corner and start chaining nt.jump.attack/st.normal, or prepare for a DP.
To do this finisher against a ready opponent is too risky (much more if you are also almost dead). It may be better to change strategy to a claw roll finisher, wall dive finisher, or a normal poke-special cancel into any special.
- Fireball Counter:
If opponent launches a fireball, you can use PWD on your back wall to fly over the fireball and hit him. But it is tricky. Weak PWD will always go over the fireball, but it will also completely miss a non-jumping target. Heavy PWD is the "closest to the ground", and has the biggest chance of hitting the firewall. Medium PWD a good chance of success. The more far away Claw is from the back wall he is jumping, the easiest is to evade the fireball. Being just next to the back wall, Claw needs to react with perfect precision, jumping just when the fireball is about to hit him.
Since the hit stun and block stun have the same duration, and the recovery frames of this special are so many, some chars can recover from hit/block stun, launch a fireball, and hit vega during his own recovery frames. Ive seen do this to Sagat and Chun, dunno If other fireballers can also do it.
Is important to understand that the essence of a successful wall dive (AKA. WD) is to catch the opponent by surprise. Try to do wall dives when the opponent doesnt expect a wall dive (for example, special cancel into a wall dive). Dont do wall dives when the opponent expects a wall dive (for example, both chars, each in a corner. And the enemy is waiting, sitting there, doing nothing. He has an anti-walldive ready). As with the Sky High Claw, always extend the claw with Fierce P.
For non-claw players there is only one "wall dive". But actually this special is very dynamic and allows for a lot of different variations:
- Back WD:
Vega jumps on his back wall, and goes for a straightforward wall dive claw attack on his opponent. In general, this can be countered with a nt.jp.anything or a DP.
- Crossup WD:
Vega jumps on his back wall, after touching the wall moves the directional input forward, flights over the enemy and crosses him, then goes for a claw attack that "backstab" the opponent. If the opponent was blocking for a Back WD, he will eat the Crossup WD.
- Forward WD:
Vega jumps on the opponent wall, and goes for a straightforward wall dive claw attack on his opponent (crossing him one time).
This thing can be safely punished on reaction when claw is homing for the opposite wall. I think it should mostly be done by special cancel a poke into forward wall dive (the poke's stun will protect Claw as he goes for the opposite wall). To cross the enemy like this depletes the enemy's back charges (Honda, Blanka, Dictador torpedos), and changes the direction input of non-symmetric DP (for Ryu/Ken adds some confusion, since now they have to do the DP input in the other direction. For characters with symmetric DP (Guile DP) his input is the same always, doesn't matter how many times you cross-up him).
This should never? be done vs Blanka or Guile, since they can charge down their DP during the walldive, and their DP will almost always defeat a Forward WD.
- Double Cross WD:
Vega jumps into the opponent wall, crossing him once, and then uses the directional input to move behind the enemy and crossing him a second time. It tries to mess with the opponent block direction when he expects to block a Forward WD.
- Fake WD:
Vega looks like is going to do a "Back Wall dive", but... after bouncing on the wall, Claw player moves the controller back and brakes. Certain opponents in opposite side of the screen (Ryu/Guile/Chun), if they make a DP they will miss miserably, and Claw can punish them during their recovery. Some chars (Ken/Blanka/DJ) have DP with so much horizontal range that they can hit fake wall dives from any range, so doing this is not a good idea.
Fake Back Wall dives can be chained and mixed with Normal Back Wall Dives. The opponent has to choose between different counters (if he fails the guess he is punished), or may just stop guessing and block, but that opens the door to be grabbed by the Izuna Drop.
A Fake Back Wall Dive can become a normal Back Wall Dive in the middle of the air (for example, if the opponent DP with too much anticipation and misses. Your initial "fake wall dive" can change course, go after him and claw/grab him during his recovery).
A good reaction vs Fake WD this is to throw a fireball to punish the Fake WD landing. Claw can respond by moving forward the controller just before landing the fake wall dive, and try to hit the head of the opponent during his fireball throwing frames.
- Fast WD:
Each char is sitting in a corner. And the enemy is a "fireballer". Vega has his Wall Dive Charge ready. The fireballer launches a fireball. Immediately (you may need to predict instead of react), Vega does a wall dive in his wall (Vega reaches the wall instantly because he is already in the corner), and then you move the controller forward to give the attack flight maximum speed. Go for a claw attack. Depending of your timing, you might even cross the opponent and hit him with the claw from behind (this is good if the enemy finishes recovery and blocks, since he will block from the wrong direction).
If you mess the timing, Claw will probably be received with a DP when he arrives.
- Anti-air WD:
Wall dives can be sometimes stopped by aerial normals. So Claw can decide to "intercept the interceptor".
Claw is expecting the opponent to jump and do an aerial normal to intercept the wall dive, so Claw still makes his wall dive, but he is going to extend the claw much earlier than normal. Maybe as soon as he is leaving the wall. This way, when the opponent tries to intercept Vega in the air, he will find that the claw is already extended and waiting for him
Of course, some opponents aerial normals have huge priority and defeat wall dive. The only chance here is to hit them early, during preparation frames of their aerial normal, or before their input. Or just dont do Anti-air WD vs them.
If the enemy doesn't try to intercept Vega in the air with a jump, Claw will hit the air and flight safely to the opposite side of the screen.
- Empty WD:
See the Claw hit boxes during walldive. Hit blue box becomes bigger when the claw is extended. Certain players react very well vs wall dives and can respond almost always with a DP, or something else with good priority. If your wall dives are always punished, instead of stop using wall dives, an empty wall dive may be the solution.
The idea is basically to do a Back WD, Forward WD, or Double Cross WD, but without extending the claw or going for a grab. If the enemy DP or reacts with a normal, he will probably miss. Then Vega can land close to him and punish him during his recovery frames.
- Escape WD:
Some players want to corner the opponent in order to maximice their offensive strategy. Claw can use the WD not for offensive, just to fly away from the corner.
A Forward WD will probably do the trick if it is executed as a special cancel cr.mp (Vega fly to opposite corner is protected by opponent block stun).
A Back WD may work just before Vega is cornered. By the time Vega is cornered, he is probably receiving hits or jump ins all the time, cannot even finish the Wall Dive charge, or he is punished while bouncing on the Back wall.
- cr.Forward, cr.Forward, C.Strong: link combo that is easier on wakeup, but still works normally from point-blank range.
- j.Fierce or j.Roundhouse, cr.Forward, cr.Strong: simple combo off an aerial attack. You may cancel the cr.Strong into a special for meter or pressure.
- j.Fierce, st.Roundhouse, cr. strong: Apparently max damage from a jump-in, might be useful as a stun combo since the St.RH will tech throws if you mess up the timing. (hard on Chun and Cammy since they're so short)
- cr.Forward xx RH Flipkick, RH Flipkick: punish combo from point-blank range. This doesn't juggle in the corners.
- cr.Jab, Jab Roll, cr.Strong: another punish combo from point-blank range.
- cl.Fierce or cl.Roundhouse, cr.Strong: not a practical combo, but sometimes you get a cl.Fierce when you're trying to throw, and you can link the strong on reaction.
Matchups classified with this diagram in mind. For the old characters I guessed the positions.
Serious Advantage Match-ups
- 7 - 3
Flash kick manages to hit wall dives at just about any angle. You can safely angle away and punish his missed Flash Kick with a slide. His turtle game doesn't work well against Vega, just push him into the corner and pin him down with c.jab, s.medium, s.fierce, and slide. He has normals that can beat each of these, but you have a major speed and range advantage on normals and usually win anyways. -MDV
Guile has mainly 2 strategies: turtle and offensive. Turtle doesn't work very well vs Claw, but offensive can be a problem. Both chars need to put pressure in the opponent, the one who puts more pressure wins. So, Claw needs to put constant pressure in Guile, but with a random component to evade been countered by a DP. Don't become predictable and change constantly between offensive tactics.
In footsie game vs Guile, Claw needs to remain at poke range. His poke tools are mixing cr.mp and short claw roll. The cr.mp is fast, but can be defeated by many Guile normals, short roll defeats all? Guile normals. So by mixing both you can put pressure in him from mid range, and meanwhile charge for flipkicks, rolls, or back wall dives. Defeat Guile jump ins with double flipkick. Chaining short rolls works very well, with sudden cr.mp and special cancel into back WD. If you jump in, always remember to combo the air attack with cr.mk, cr.mp, and then special cancel into short roll or fake wall dive.
Guile can set fireball baits in order to DP Claw if he tries to jump in. Learnt to identify this baits, and don¡t jump in. Claw can jump in in every moment except this.
Never forward WD guile (he can punish it very easily) And don't special cancel into forward WD. Special cancel into back WD. Guile is super vulnerable to Fakes WD when he is cornered or both chars are in opposite sides. If he starts blocking claw wall dives, go for grabs (also Super).
If Guile reaches close melee range, Vega is fucked at this distance, so you need to get away. What I use to do is smash backflips and hope it works. Just don't let Guile get this close and escape as fast as possible if it happens. He can really destroy Vega at this distance. Vega dominates at medium range, and he has to remain there.
If you are good with flipkick piano reversal, you may try it when Guile uses the sonic-boom stun to protect himself during a jump-in.
Wall dive loop works so-so with Guile, since his DP input is symmetric and cross-ups dont mess with his input or deplete his charge. But, a "meaty" Fake wall dive work very well to make him believe you are going for wall dive loop, trick him into a DP and then punish him during his recovery. -Bimblis
- 7.5 - 2.5
Vega's great jump gives him an easier time against fireball zoners. Stand half a screen away from him and wait. Jump over fireballs and punish. Watch for whiffed Tiger Knees and jumping roundhouse and be ready to Flip Kick. There's not a whole lot else to worry about against him.
Interesting note: Sagat can always punish a ground-impact Sky High Claw with a fireball, doesn't matter if he blocks it or eats it, so never use Sky High Claw (except for tick-finish him). In general, Sagat becomes more vulnerable when attacking, so try to counter his incomings more than to put pressure on him. Short claw rolls work well in hitting him with the tip. -Bimblis
Vs. T. Hawk:
- 7 - 3
I stay standing the entire game. S.Fierce pushes him away from half screen. S.Medium is good and fast if he gets closer and is looking to tick. S.Roundhouse hits jump ins and dives. (do it early). Once he gets you cornered, he has option selects that you can't get out of, so always be carefully watching your distance. Poke him with a C.strong into a wall dive and safely fly over him if you're in danger. -MDV
T Hawk is as strong as Zangief, uber-prioritised (all his normals and air normals are between the highest priority normals in the game, way beyond Claw ground and air normals), flying-jet (he can “almost instantly” get to grab distance using his weird falcon powers) bloodthirsty-killing-machine (once he gets into grab distance, he will splash Vega head against the pavement again and again).
So, the most important point is, don't let T.Hawk start a special grab loop on you. That means keeping a safe distance from him in all times. It also mean DONT LET T.HAWK TOUCH YOU WITH HIS PUNCHES!!!!. Doesn’t matter if the punches are blocked or not, after a punch both chars are already in grab distance for T.Hawk special grab. And that is game over for Claw. T.Hawk kicks are a little long range, so if he kicks Claw in the face, that is ok, Claw still has a chance of escape.
DONT TRY TO DEFEAT T.HAWK IN MELEE OR AIR!!!! If you are interchanging normals with T.Hawk, not only you are very close to punch distance and being special grabbed, you will probably receive more than you are giving. T.Hawk makes like 75% more damage with each attack, and they have more priority. Even in the air is the same. He is just better at everything in melee and air combat. With one exception: the claw attack from a claw roll defeats his normals due to his long range and priority.
Wall dive/Wall dive loop: His Falcon Rise reaches Fake wall dives the same way as Ken shoriuken, and his air normals can defeat wall dives if he reacts on time. After a countered wall dive/wall dive loop, T.Hawk can position at “grab-distance” from Claw, and as soon as Claw stands-up, T.Hawk will start his special grab loop game. In general, wall dives are not safe.
The basic claw strategy is that T.Hawk will try to get closer using several techniques, and Claw has to react with the appropriate counter for each technique. If Claw stops enough incoming attacks, he wins. Each time T.Hawk pierces though Claw defences, he has a chance of winning the game.
Lets see the T.Hawk strategy to get closer:
1 - He can walk in: Use st.HP/cr.MP as soon as he is in claw-range and keep him away. Remember that if you are charging flipkick, you can store the charge moving backwards, use st.HP, and return to crouch without losing the charge. You can also use cr.MP and keep the charge.
2 - He can jump in: Use st.HK/Flipkick. His jump-in is a little slow and easy to counter. Sometimes T.Hawk players get berserk with jumps-ins, don't be afraid and use the same st.HK/flipkick all the time.
3 - Falcon Rise (FR): This is a reversal-antiair, but it has so much horizontal displacement that is useful to move forward. During its beginning it counters Vega slide. Use st.HK/Flipkick without fear.
4 - Falcon Dive (FD): Super Dangerous. There are two classes of FD T.Hawk can use: "far FD" and "close FD". A "far FD" is done too far away and misses Claw (for example. T.Hawk is at long distance from Claw, and uses FD to reach medium distance). A far FD happens so far away from Claw that he cannot punish it with st.HK/flipkick. The recovery of the "missed FD" is theoretically punishable, but if Claw punish is not well timed, T.Hawk can turn into a Falcon Rise and punish the intent of being punished. In addition, to reversal into a FR after the FD allows T.Hawk to travel more horizontal distance and get very close to Claw. The "far FD" is the beginning of a 2 step strategy, and it may be easier to counter the second part (a FR or a jump-in).
The "close FD" is the worst. It is super-fast and If he hits you with this, blocking or not, you are in his “special grab” area. Use st.HK/Flipkick, and be super-ready.
Now. What about if Claw wants to take the war to T.Hawk? Remember that in melee vs melee and air vs air T.hawk is better. The best tool to put a little of pressure in T.Hawk may be to tip him with the roll claw. Makes good damage, has more priority and range that his normals. -Bimblis
Vs. O. T. Hawk:
- 6.5 - 3.5
This matchup gave me trouble too for a while. Once you learn it though you'll get better at it.
Charge back/Walk backward the whole round. If he balls, you can either flip kick through it, try one of the other counters suggested, or block, take a small step forward, standing fierce. Sounds basic, but this one strategy of stting there with Vega is good enough. Eventually, especially if you have a lead, he has to try something to come to you.Funny, cause doing anything else can be trouble with Blanka. Wake up balls or electricity can stop cross over wall dives. If the Blanka is good at wake up balls, it can stop doing meaty Claw Rolls on top of him. Just keep him out and wear him down. Don't go into his meathouse.
In the original everything ST thread DSP broke this match down pretty good  and it helped me out. See if you can find it somewhere. (CapMaster)
Claw VS Blanka is a funny match. Most struggle with it at first, but once you learn it it can become a free win for you.
Sit back. Any blocked rolling attack is a free standing fierce for you. You catch them with this a few times, they may try to do a jab or strong ball into throw/hop/whatever. Watch for this, then sweep it. You can flipkick balls too of course. Use crouching strong to keep him away. be careful going for wall dives, as both rolling attacks and electricity can beat it. Sit back, and by never let him get into his cross up short range. That's where this match is lost. Keep him out of that range and you will whittle him down. (CapMaster again)
Good Blankas aren't going to roll or rainbow roll at you since they'll get stabbed for it every time. Instead, they know the range of their jab & strong rolls perfectly, and use those to stop right in front of you and throw before you react from block. If you're going against this kind of Blanka, walk forward until you're in your S.Fierce range and keep him there, and throw out a lot of c.Strong to interrupt his rolls. If you get caught up close and he starts repeat crossup jumps, you can neutral jump and hit jab immediately on the way up to hit him out of it. -MDV
Probably one of the most obvious matches for Claw: easy but you must avoid the walldive loop!
P - A - T - I - E - N - C - E
Here is the key word. Your best weapons are your powerful zoning, Scarlet Terror, and patience. Sit fullscreen, keep a finger on MP, another on HK, charge down-back and get some beer.
Here are classic attacks from Blanka and the behavior you must have against them.
j.LK: the famous cross up. If he is using it, it means you have let him come to close to you! Scarlet Terror or Flip Kick will give you some fresh air and then try to use more anti-air like cr.HP, st.HK, Scarlet Terror or nj.LP. Do not forget this last one, its range is impressive.
Blanka's slide: this damn tool has 11 frames of start up and yours would beat it in terms of hit boxes, but you can't punish it on reaction even if yours is faster to come out (8 frames of start up). Stun timer is very long, so do not attempt to punish it on block. Block and wait, slide requires your opponent to make an aggressive move, be patient and punish the next one!
Electricity: another Blanka attack that knocks you down. Your options are:
At close range: st.LK. At mid range: Wait, and do not try to use cr.MK because it's too risky due to a potential trade which could result in a Blanka advantage on your wake up. At long range: Slide.
Horizontal ball: This is the key to the match, for both characters. This move can be stopped by any of your standing normal moves, or by a 3 hit Scarlet Terror. You can even punish this move after blocking by walking a few pixels and then doing a st.HP. Huge damage, and despair for Blanka. On the other hand, be careful because Blanka can do a short range ball to get very close to you and then throw you when you're waiting to block one. cr.LP is pretty useful on reaction if Blanka does a fullscreen ball.
3rd Attack, Upball: This is what makes the walldive loop almost impossible to set up on Blanka. Nevertheless, if you press punch very early in the air after doing a walldive, you will win in the air - but do not try to attempt the loop at close range. If you want to bait Blanka into using upball, you should use forward jumping j.HP or nj.LP. This should make Blanka frustrated. This is the key to this match up, to make the opponent get MAD! The first one that loses his nerve will lose this match very quickly.
The backstep kick ball is a joke, just do st.HK or Scarlet Terror.
- 6 - 4
First learn her safety zones. If you block a max range short drill or thrust kick (DP), you cannot punish and usually eat another short DP. Once you've got that, sit back, block her specials, c.strong poke if she comes in, and flip kick away jumps. All she has left is Hooligan throws which grab from farther away then it looks. Be watching for them and flip kick those too. -MDV
This matchup is 6 - 4, it can be hard for Claw. The match is based on defense, reactions, and being patient.
- High priority Normal Moves: st.LP, cr.MP, cr. MK
- The best airthrow in the game
- A lot of Invicible properties on various moves: DP active on the fourth frame. LP Spin Knuckle lower-body invincible for 33 frames. Super is invincible for 40 frames.
- Hooligan Throw is very quick, and does a lot of damage
- Good crossup stun combos on wake up (especially against Claw, who has a low stun value)
All these things may seem scary but Claw has powerful weapons, including his great ability to punish: Against DP? Punish with cr.MP. Against Drill? Punish with cr.MP. Against Hooligan? Punish with st.LP on reaction. When Cammy is knocked down? Do walldive loop. Cammy is poking at mid screen? Get ready to punish a potential Hooligan. Be patient. Against Spin Knuckle? Slide. Cammy tries to Spin Knuckle a poke? Block!
- 6 - 4
Chun has one zone where she can jump in at you, thats when she is near you and you're not charged, too close to jump straight up and fierce and if you're not charged you cant flip kick which is the only counter at this range. What does this mean? dont let her get you in that range. Stay close and charged, if she fireballs, jump at her. poke with low strongs. Slide to move in on her and sometimes hit her as she tries to fireball. Basically you play close turtle style if possible. Imo its advantage vega that matchup. (Graham)
I like to be ready to pounce on any kikoken she throws. I go for wall dives from across the screen when I see one, or if in close if she throws one hop it and go for a combo. Without a\ having her upkicks charged, chun li has trouble stopping a jumping Claw with her ground moves. I play this match by being aggressive and just going at Chun. Her air moves beat yours, even though jump strong sometimes is effective. She also has some trouble stopping wall dives shenanigans, her upkick has to be perfect. Stay on offense. You lose this match if Chun can press you. (CapMaster)
Vs. Dee Jay:
- 6 - 4
DJ's Up-Kicks is terrible against Vega. Jump in from close with early j.roundhouse to stuff it. Wall dive directly on top of him and you can claw stuff him or connect with the grab from behind. And wake up kicks whiff against c.medium, c.roundhouse, and rolls. Just abuse him with dives and put heavy wakeup pressure on him once he's down. -MDV
- 6.5 - 3.5
Dhalsim is better at fullscreen and better at close range. Vega wants to be just outside sweep range. Spam him with c.strong to interrupt Fires & Flames and slow normals. Learn the different angles of Yoga Drill and when you can or can't counter/jump away. If you're stuck at far range, you can hit some limbs with S.Medium or J.Fierce. You can also provoke him by repeat 3K handspring to charge your super. Once you knockdown, you can fierce roll, c.jab, jab roll for large chip pressure. Against wall dives, Dhalsim can Yoga Blast, j.roundhouse, Yoga Mummy or teleport. They're all effective but they all have openings. If your opponent always counters the same way, you can change your angle of approach and get in on him. -MDV
Vs. E. Honda:
- 6 - 4
When I play this match, I usually go either one or two ways. One is to get a lead, and run away/turtle. The second is if you get a knockdown, go for cross up wall dives until he stops it. By cross up, I mean change his direction that he's facing so he loses the charge for his headbutt, which will very much stop your wall dives. It's not inflailable, he can sumo smash out of it (you won't always get hit though) but it's in your favor going for this.
For the turtle method, a well timed jump back fierce will stuff a headbutt if he trys it. Otherwise, try to keep your flick kick charged to get fierce headbutts. You do this a few times, sometimes Honda may try to a jab headbutt to make you flip kick on reaction, then punish you as you recover. Learn to recognize this, and slide him as he's landing from the jab headbutt. When you get the lead, Honda eventually is gonna HAVE to come at you in some way or form. Just be ready to counter his offensive options. If Honda gets you in the corner and he's close, you're probably gonna lose. Try to stay a little outside of the range of his fierce hands. Vega (Claw) can win this fight. The challenge is that Honda just has many more ways to do so. -CapMaster
Don't poke. Trading hits with Honda is always a losing game. Don't even risk it. The best place to stay is just outside his roundhouse Sumo Splash. From there, you can just hold neutral jump and hop forever. Neutral Jump MK beats headbutt, pushes away splash, and beats all air-to-air, and can kick him out of hands. Just do this forever and mix in cross-up wall dives and fake-out wall dives to keep him guessing. Be careful about wall diving if you're midscreen - if he headbutts, the screen will scroll, you will miss the wall and land on him. -MDV
Honda is like a bull. He obliterates everything in front of him, but is vulnerable if you get around. So, my take in this matchup is maximum offensive, maximum movement, always jump around Honda, hit him from every direction.
Footsie game: I think Honda is better at everything, except maybe claw roll. Short claw roll has huge range and can hit Honda from opposite sides of the screen if honda tries a normal. You can roll a wake-up honda for chip damage (good Hondas may Ochio during wake up).
Neutral jp.mk is the other technique for "footsie" game vs honda. It defeats almost every normal and special, so he is punished if he tries to attack.
Jump in: Honda is very vulnerable to jump-ins. You can combo the jump-in into cr.mk, cr.mp, and then special cancel into a wall dive. Another take is to jump-in with air.fierce, and then, during Honda stun, jump-in again crossing Honda. After the crossup you may go into a throw, or cr.mp/cr.mk, or crossup him again.
Don't worry about Claw jumping around Honda in a flurry of jump-ins, cross ups, neutral jumps with air.nt.mk, and lots of throws. This "cross up hell" allows Claw to do a constant pressure in a, otherwise, impossible character. Crossups can end into combos, wall dives, throws, or more crossups. It is very difficult for Honda to escape this trap while he is been hit from everywhere, as long as Claw doesnt become repetitive and predictable.
Some honda players use short torpedo to counter jump-ins (or even wall dives!). Be careful with that. Remember that cross ups or forward wall dives stop Honda charge.
Claw Forward WD depletes Honda torpedo charge. But honda can defeat forward wall dive very well by jumping and using a normal. To resolve this, claw can special cancel a cr.mp into forward wall dive (claw is protected during the first stage of forward wall dive thanks to block stun). Fakes are pretty useless vs honda. He can intercept them very easily with torpedos. As such, back wall dives are also kind of useless.
Sky High Claw works well from time to time, just don't use the to intercept an airborne honda (he may slap you out of it). And also remember torpedo defeats Sky High. For final chip killer, if this is expected, maybe is better to go with a claw roll.
If both players are in opposite sides of the screen... it may not be a good idea to start doing wall dives (Honda will be ready for that). Just walk closer and look up for the crossup, or poke with short roll claw.
Honda Torpedos are defeated by nt.jump.MK and diagonal jump HP.
Wall dive loop/meaty works very well vs honda. -Bimblis
Vs. Fei Long:
- 6.5 - 3.5
Avoid being in the corner since it's very hard to get out. Get him at sweep range and throw out a lot of c.medium which will stuff rekkas. If you're knocked down, always low block the meaty, it's not worth 40% + possible dizzy if you screw up against his powerful meaty game. Max range jab roll with stuff flame kicks with the tip of the claw. -MDV
- 6 - 4
Because of Vega's foot speed and narrow jump, he can get through fireballs easier than most. Use that mobility to control the distance. Hold defensive crouch at max cr.strong range. You can jump a fireball and combo on reaction. You can Flip Kick a jump or a hurricane on reaction (watch out for short hurricanes which are bait). Poke c.jab and c.strong to hit normals and interrupt fireballs, but do so rarely and carefully to avoid DPs. Hold your zone and you're fine. If Ryu is playing annoying Air Hurricane games, you can hit 3K early and throw while they land. When you knockdown, do a meaty claw roll that hits with the tip on wakeup, this will stop a DP.
Once you learn wall dive momentum well enough, you can connect with a super through anything. If you knockdown from far away - wall dive and hold towards the opponent when you hit the wall to speed up, then hold back at the last moment. You will sort of hover just in front them and can grab their DP right out of the air after its invincibility frames. -MDV
Ken Fierce DP (unlike Ryu's) can hit a fake wall dive. So don't try fake wall dives on him. -Bimblis
Vs. O. Ken:
- 6 - 4
Very similar to the Ken matchup.
As a note: Ryu is vulnerable to Fakes WD, unlike Ken. -Bimblis
Vs. O. Sagat:
Slide under high tigers or c.strong if you're close enough. You don't want to wall dive fireballs even in anticipation since he can always recover in time and DP. -MDV
- 6.5 - 3.5
Keep away all day. Wall dive and press punch very early. Angle it so your claw lands on top of his head, and you'll beat out cyclones clean. Jab roll > c.strong from max range to chip a little and push him away. Reversal wall dive isn't going to hit him, but can get you out of some tight situations. -MDV
The essence of Zangief strategy consists in hard hitting pokes, small combos that hit hard, and going for the tick -> special grab. Claw strategy consists in keeping Zangief at medium melee distance. In order to accomplish this, first we need to understand how Zangief will try to get closer:
1 - Zangief pokes cr.HK: Zangief cr.HK is fast, medium range, excellent priority and knocks down. Claw st.mk has the same range, is equally fast, and both attacks miss each other completely. This is very important, because Zangief mixes cr.HK with lariats. Remember to hit with the tip of st.mk, getting closer is dangerous.
2 - Zangief walks in: Claw should St.mk. If Zangief tries to walk in, just kick him with this one or twice and he will change tactic.
3 - Short Lariat: Short Lariat is tricky, because it can be followed by a cr.HK (which defeats Claw Slide) or a jump in. The safe thing to do is st.mk (defeats short Lariat and is the best option vs Zangief cr.HK). Slide defeats short lariat, but Zangief likes to jump in and punish if the slide whiffs. Lariats are some kind of bait for this.
4 - Long Lariat: In its beginning, Long Lariat can be defeated by Claw's st.mk. But in Long lariat second half, it defeats st.mk (Long lariat red hitbox increases with time). So, stop it right in its beginning with Claw's st.mk, or in the ending with claw's slide.
5 - Zangief tries to jump in: He is very slow in his jumping. Use the st.HK/flipkick to kick him out of the air. Zangief can be doubled flipkicked easily. Zangief loves to jump in during the opponent recovery of a whiff normal (and during Claw slides). This means Zangief connects with a short combo + 360 + meaty (and maybe more!). You may try to escape with backflip.
Pd: I always like to start the match with a charged flipkick. It makes a lot of damage if zangief tries to jump in. Pdd: Claw's roll is defeated by all Lariats. If Zangief sees the roll coming, he Lariats and PUM!. -Bimblis
Vs. Balrog (boxer):
- 4.5 - 5.5
His normals are overpowering up close and his grab & followups are too good. Slide, C.strong, and occasional jab roll to hit him out of dash punches. Once he's down, you can safe jump against headbutts. Keep it simple and stick to your zone game. Getting fancy doesn't help when one grab can cost you the round. -MDV
5 - 5 or maybe a light disadvantage for Claw.
You need to avoid absolutely getting throw looped. It will drive you crazy.
Do-not-Do list: DO NOT use punch backflip (54 invincible frames + 9 of recovery). If you are trying to escape throw loop or general pressure you might be tempted to use kick backflip (30 invincible frames and 9 of recovery) - you must choose either reversal Scarlet Terror or reversal throw!
DO NOT walldive when you are behind in life, because Boxer may start turtling with Headbutt and jumpback MP.
DO NOT Sky High Claw if Boxer has back charge, because Dash Straight could be a direct punish on block.
DO NOT attempt walldive loop because reversal Headbutt on wake up could give more space to Boxer or even worse: it could hit you.
DO NOT poke at all when Boxer has Super even if he is full screen.
Be careful about auto correct Super if you walldive.
So.. what options remain for Claw to fight Boxer?
Stay focused during throw loop to know on which side to block/charge. Reversal throw as an option after throw loop/crossunder. Scarlet Terror against various dash punches.
Slide is a good tool!
cr.MP as well, but don't over-use it because of Headbutt or Super.
Vs. M. Bison (dictator):
- 5 - 5
I still am struggling with this match, but here's what I can tell you. Bison has no reversal outside of super. So everytime you get him knocked down, that's a free claw roll or wall dive attempt for you. Bison's kicks (scissors, standing forward, crouching forward) will give you major trouble, and his jump strong will neutralize your air attacks. Have your eyes ready to try to flip kick any scissor kick or psycho crusher so you can get that all important knockdown.To me, this match goes the first one to get a knockdown wins. Keep Dictator on the floor. (CapMaster)
Air to air, he has a major advantage, but j.strong hits some of his attacks, and an early neutral jump j.medium hits him out of everything. All his moves bring him to you, so use that to your advantage. Walk back to the corner and stand 2 steps in front of it. Often times his moves will push himself past you into the corner. Then you can wail away on him with c.strongs and fierce roll chip. Just wail away on the c.strongs, they interrupt all his moves except super, and all his long range normal kicks. -MDV
Vs. Vega (claw-self):
Major pain in the ass fight. Neutral J.Medium is good air-to-air, as is J.Strong. If you're getting wall dived on, do an early 3K handspring to go through the claw and throw as they land. -MDV
It is important to predict wall dives (exactly the stuff other chars do when playing vs claw). For example, If the opponent claw is ducked in a corner, or if he is low in health, or after a crouched combo. A very good way of reacting vs wall dives is nt.jump mp.
Also note that wall dive loop doesn't work in corners. So to be cornered may be a good idea. -Bimblis
Serious Disadvantage Match-ups
|General||Notation | Game Mechanics | Tiers | Strategy|
|The Characters||Akuma | Balrog (Boxer) (O. Balrog) | Blanka (O. Blanka) | Cammy (O. Cammy) | Chun-Li (O. Chun-Li) | Dee Jay (O. Dee Jay) | Dhalsim (O. Dhalsim) | E. Honda (O. E. Honda) | Fei Long (O. Fei Long) | Guile (O. Guile) | Ken (O. Ken) | M. Bison (Dictator) (O. M. Bison) | Ryu (O. Ryu) | Sagat (O. Sagat) | T. Hawk (O. T. Hawk) | Vega (Claw) (O. Vega) | Zangief (O. Zangief)|