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=='''Introduction'''==
[edit]Moves List [/edit]
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[edit]Normal Moves [/edit]
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[edit]Special Moves [/edit]
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High Fireball
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[edit]The Basics [/edit]
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[edit]Bread and Butter Combos [/edit]
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''In a Nutshell'':
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:Sagat is the king of CvS2. If you like a play style of dominating pokes/neutral that can convert into big damage, but also have up close pressure options, Sagat is the character for you. He has nearly everything you'd want in a character. 
  
[edit]Super Combos [/edit]
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:'''Pros''':
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:- Some of the best normals in the game
  
[edit]Advanced Strategy [/edit]
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:- Excellent array of supers for all needs.
[edit]C-Groove Combos [/edit]
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[edit]Level 2, Anywhere on Screen [/edit]
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:- Great damage output and health.
  
[edit]Level 3, Anywhere on Screen [/edit]
 
  
[edit]Level 2, Opponent In or Near Corner[/edit]
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:'''Cons''':
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:-Slow move speed
  
[edit]Level 3, Opponent In or Near Corner [/edit]
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:-Big hurtboxes make him vulnerable to normals and instant overheads  that much of the cast can duck 
  
[edit]Level 2, Mid-Screen, Pseudo Combo [/edit]
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:- Weakness maintaining pressure against short characters that can duck close standing jab.
  
[edit]Level 3, Mid-Screen, Pseudo Combo [/edit]
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:- Sub par roll cancels (and specials, generally)
  
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[[File:Sagat_CvS2_colors.png]]
  
[edit]Insanely Hard Combos [/edit]
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=== Preferred Grooves ===
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Footsie Sagat generally prefers having stored supers to unleash big damage, so C or P are viable.
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Rushdown Sagat just needs low jump to be scary, so N and K are viable.
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A groove isn't ideal, as Sagat's customs aren't really super damaging and are fairly difficult, but its still Sagat, so it's not a *bad* character. But we won't be focusing much on A-Sagat.
  
Edited By Haaris Abbasi
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S Sagat is less than ideal because S-Groove isn't good period, but Sagat is definitely on the top 3 S-Groove team. Infinite level 1 Tiger Cannons is no joke.
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===='''C Groove-'''====
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Advantages-
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* Level 2 cancelling- Cancelling Tiger Raid into Fierce Tiger Uppercut is one of the best meter savers. You only lose 100 damage and gain a Tiger Uppercut worth of meter on top of the meter you save compared to the level 3.
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*Cheap meters- on top of the level 2 canceling, C-Groove has the fastest building gauge. 
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*Delayed Get-up- Unpunishable method to mess with setup/safejumps.
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*Air Block-
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Disadvantages-
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* Rush down- You need to earn your way in through footsies and pressure.
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===='''K Groove-'''====
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Advantages-
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* RAGE- When you're red, opponents are terrified. Make sure to throw them a few times and laugh that that's basically a super's worth of damage.
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* Low Jump- Sagat's low jump RH is very very good. It also opens up the low jump RH/ empty jump Tiger Raid Mixup
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* Safe Supers- Obviously Sagat gets this in all grooves, but K allows for "random" use it or lose it supers. Having 1 safe and 1 mostly safe supers is amazing for this.
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*Safe Fall- Quickly get back in the fight, but watch for punishment!
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* Just Defense- Get life back AND 1/12 meter for holding back? Great! The goal is to get around 12 JD's a round, so you end up getting 2 or 3 rage opportunities instead of 1 or 2.
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Disadvantages-
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* No Alpha Counter- This is brutal against A Groove
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* Less control over meter usage- An opponent can wait you out, or taunt you before a match to cost your rage. 
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===='''N Groove-'''====
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Advantages-
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* Low Jump
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* More control over Supers
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* Counter Attack/Roll
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Disadvantages-
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* Need to "pop" for level 3's
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* Slower overall functional meter than K or C.
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Terms:
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Forward = F/f,
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Backward = B/b,
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Up = U/u,
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Down = D/d
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Light punch = LP (Jab Punch),
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Medium Punch = MP (Strong Punch),
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Hard punch = HP (Fierce Punch),
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Light kick = LK (Short Kick),
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Medium Kick = MK (Forward Kick),
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Hard kick = HK (Roundhouse Kick)
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Any Punch = AP,
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Any Kick = AK
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QCF - d,df,f  (Hadoken/Tiger shot movement),
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QCB - d,db,b (Hurricane Kick movement),
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DP  - f,df,f (Dragon punch/Tiger Uppercut movement)
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=='''Normal Moves'''==
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<table style="width:600px;border:1px solid silver" cellborder="1">
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'''<tr>
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  <th>Button</th>
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  <th>Position</th>
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  <th>Buffers:</th>
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  <th>Itself</th>
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  <th>Specials</th>
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  <th>Supers</th>
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  <th>Hit</th>
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  <th>Block</th>
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  <th>Startup</th>
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  <th>Active</th>
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  <th>Recovery</th>
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  <th>Damage</th>
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</tr>
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<tr>
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  <td style="border:1px solid navy" rowspan=3>Jab</td>
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  <td>Standing</td>
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  <td></td>
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  <td>n</td>
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  <td>y</td>
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  <td>y</td>
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  <td>+6</td>
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  <td>+6</td>
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  <td>2</td>
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  <td>3</td>
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  <td>6</td>
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  <td>500</td>
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</tr>
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<tr>
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  <td>Crouching</td>
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  <td></td>
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  <td>n</td>
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  <td>y</td>
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  <td>y</td>
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  <td>+3</td>
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  <td>+3</td>
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  <td>5</td>
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  <td>4</td>
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  <td>8</td>
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  <td>400</td>
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</tr>
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<tr>
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  <td>Jumping</td>
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  <td></td>
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  <td>-</td>
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  <td>-</td>
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  <td>-</td>
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  <td>-</td>
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  <td>-</td>
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  <td>4</td>
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  <td>22</td>
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  <td>-</td>
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  <td>600</td>
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</tr>
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<tr>
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  <td style="border:1px solid navy" rowspan=3>Strong</td>
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  <td>Standing</td>
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  <td></td>
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  <td>n</td>
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  <td>y</td>
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  <td>y</td>
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  <td>-7</td>
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  <td>-7</td>
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  <td>4</td>
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  <td>3</td>
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  <td>24</td>
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  <td>1100</td>
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</tr>
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<tr>
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  <td>Crouching</td>
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  <td></td>
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  <td>n</td>
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  <td>y</td>
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  <td>y</td>
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  <td>+4</td>
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  <td>+4</td>
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  <td>6</td>
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  <td>4</td>
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  <td>12</td>
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  <td>1000</td>
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</tr>
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<tr>
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  <td>Jumping</td>
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  <td></td>
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  <td>-</td>
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  <td>-</td>
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  <td>-</td>
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  <td>-</td>
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  <td>-</td>
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  <td>4</td>
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  <td>10</td>
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  <td>-</td>
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  <td>1100</td>
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</tr>
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<tr>
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  <td style="border:1px solid navy" rowspan=4>Fierce</td>
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  <td>Close</td>
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  <td></td>
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  <td>n/n</td>
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  <td>y/n</td>
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  <td>y/y</td>
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  <td>-13</td>
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  <td>-13</td>
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  <td>3</td>
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  <td>8</td>
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  <td>27</td>
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  <td>1300,1100</td>
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</tr>
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<tr>
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  <td>Far</td>
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  <td></td>
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  <td>n</td>
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  <td>n</td>
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  <td>y</td>
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  <td>-4</td>
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  <td>-4</td>
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  <td>6</td>
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  <td>8</td>
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  <td>20</td>
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  <td>1600</td>
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</tr>
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<tr>
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  <td>Crouching</td>
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  <td></td>
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  <td>n</td>
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  <td>n</td>
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  <td>y</td>
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  <td>+2</td>
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  <td>+2</td>
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  <td>7</td>
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  <td>8</td>
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  <td>14</td>
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  <td>1500</td>
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</tr>
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<tr>
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  <td>Jumping</td>
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  <td></td>
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  <td>-</td>
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  <td>-</td>
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  <td>-</td>
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  <td>-</td>
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  <td>-</td>
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  <td>6</td>
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  <td>8</td>
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  <td>-</td>
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  <td>1600</td>
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</tr>
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<tr>
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  <td style="border:1px solid red" rowspan=3>Short</td>
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  <td>Standing</td>
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  <td></td>
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  <td>n,n</td>
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  <td>y,n</td>
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  <td>y,y</td>
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  <td>-1</td>
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  <td>-1</td>
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  <td>5</td>
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  <td>2+6</td>
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  <td>10</td>
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  <td>200+400</td>
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</tr>
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<tr>
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  <td>Crouching</td>
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  <td></td>
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  <td>n</td>
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  <td>y</td>
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  <td>y</td>
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  <td>+5</td>
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  <td>+5</td>
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  <td>3</td>
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  <td>4</td>
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  <td>6</td>
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  <td>400</td>
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</tr>
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<tr>
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  <td>Jumping</td>
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  <td></td>
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  <td>-</td>
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  <td>-</td>
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  <td>-</td>
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  <td>-</td>
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  <td>-</td>
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  <td>5</td>
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  <td>22</td>
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  <td>-</td>
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  <td>600</td>
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</tr>
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<tr>
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  <td style="border:1px solid red" rowspan=3>Forward</td>
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  <td>Standing</td>
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  <td></td>
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  <td>n/n</td>
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  <td>y/n</td>
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  <td>y/n</td>
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  <td>-12</td>
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  <td>-12</td>
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  <td>5</td>
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  <td>3+8</td>
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  <td>24</td>
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  <td>400+900</td>
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</tr>
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<tr>
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  <td>Crouching</td>
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  <td></td>
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  <td>n</td>
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  <td>y</td>
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  <td>y</td>
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  <td>-2</td>
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  <td>-2</td>
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  <td>4</td>
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  <td>5</td>
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  <td>17</td>
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  <td>1000</td>
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</tr>
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<tr>
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  <td>Jumping</td>
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  <td></td>
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  <td>-</td>
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  <td>-</td>
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  <td>-</td>
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  <td>-</td>
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  <td>-</td>
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  <td>6</td>
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  <td>8</td>
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  <td>-</td>
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  <td>1000</td>
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</tr>
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<tr>
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  <td style="border:1px solid red" rowspan=3>Roundhouse</td>
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  <td>Standing</td>
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  <td></td>
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  <td>n/n</td>
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  <td>y/n</td>
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  <td>y/n</td>
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  <td>-7</td>
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  <td>-7</td>
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  <td>6</td>
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  <td>3+7</td>
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  <td>24</td>
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  <td>500+1300</td>
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</tr>
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<tr>
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  <td>Crouching</td>
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  <td></td>
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  <td>n</td>
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  <td>n</td>
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  <td>y</td>
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  <td>down</td>
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  <td>-7</td>
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  <td>7</td>
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  <td>8</td>
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  <td>23</td>
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  <td>1500</td>
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</tr>
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<tr>
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  <td>Jumping</td>
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  <td></td>
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  <td>-</td>
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  <td>-</td>
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  <td>-</td>
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  <td>-</td>
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  <td>-</td>
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  <td>5</td>
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  <td>8</td>
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  <td>-</td>
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  <td>1400</td>
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</tr>
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</table>
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Moves with detached/invincible hitboxes:
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-j.HK (tip of foot)
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-far s.HP and d.HP (tip of fists, VERY small)
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-far s.MK (tip of foot)
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=='''Throws'''==
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'''Tiger Carry'''
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*Forward or Back + Fierce
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'''Tiger Rage'''
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*Forward or Back + Roundhouse (Mashable)
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=='''Special Moves'''==
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'''Tiger Shot'''
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*Quarter Circle Forward + Punch
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**LP 800 -11/-11 10/44
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**MP 900 -12/-12 10/45
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**HP 1000 -13/-13 10/46
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-----------
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'''Ground Tiger Shot'''
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*Quarter Circle Forward + Kick
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**LK 700 -12/-12 12/45
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**MK 800 -13/-13 12/46
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**HK 900 -14/-14 12/47
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'''Tiger Uppercut'''
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*Forward, Down, Down-Forward + Punch
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**LP 1800,900 down/-35 3/15/35
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***3 frames full body, 4 frames lower body
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**MP 1900,900 down/-43 3/19/39
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***3 frames full body, 4 frames lower body
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**HP 700+500+400+200x2 down/-35 3/[4]/[5]/[5]/[5]/[5]/42
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***7 frames full body
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-----------
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'''Tiger Crush'''
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*Forward, Down, Down-Forward + Kick
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**LK 400+1100 down/-10 6/[6]/[5]/23
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**MK 500+1200 down/-12 5/[6]/[6]/24
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**HK 600+1300 down/-15 4/[6]/[7]/26
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=='''Super Combos'''==
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'''High Tiger Cannon'''
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*Double Quarter Circle Forward + Punch
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**High Tiger Cannon super has one frame less startup before the super flash than Ground Tiger Cannon super. It makes a difference when punishing another Sagat's whiffed far s.HP with far s.HP xx High Tiger Cannon as opposed to far s.HP xx Ground Tiger Cannon.
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'''Ground Tiger Cannon'''
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*Double Quarter Circle Back + Punch
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**LP down/-2
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**MP down/+1
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**HP down/+4
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--------
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'''Tiger Raid'''
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*Double Quarter Circle Back + Kick
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--------
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'''Tiger Genocide'''
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*Double Quarter Circle Forward + Kick
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=='''Bread and Butter Combos'''==
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s.jabx2, tiger uppercut/tiger knee
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cr.short, s.jab, tiger uppercut/tiger knee
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s.jab, s.fierce, tiger uppercut
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cr.shortx2, tiger uppercut/tiger knee
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=='''C-Groove Combos'''==
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Crossover lk, 2 standing lp, crouching mk ~ lvl. 2 Ground Tiger Cannon ~ lvl. 1 Tiger Cannon
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=='''The Basics'''==
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=='''Advanced Strategy'''==
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'''Edited By:''' Haaris Abbasi & Markudea
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[[Category:Capcom vs SNK 2]]

Latest revision as of 15:51, 25 March 2019

Introduction

In a Nutshell:

Sagat is the king of CvS2. If you like a play style of dominating pokes/neutral that can convert into big damage, but also have up close pressure options, Sagat is the character for you. He has nearly everything you'd want in a character.
Pros:
- Some of the best normals in the game
- Excellent array of supers for all needs.
- Great damage output and health.


Cons:
-Slow move speed
-Big hurtboxes make him vulnerable to normals and instant overheads that much of the cast can duck
- Weakness maintaining pressure against short characters that can duck close standing jab.
- Sub par roll cancels (and specials, generally)

Sagat CvS2 colors.png

Preferred Grooves

Footsie Sagat generally prefers having stored supers to unleash big damage, so C or P are viable. Rushdown Sagat just needs low jump to be scary, so N and K are viable.

A groove isn't ideal, as Sagat's customs aren't really super damaging and are fairly difficult, but its still Sagat, so it's not a *bad* character. But we won't be focusing much on A-Sagat.

S Sagat is less than ideal because S-Groove isn't good period, but Sagat is definitely on the top 3 S-Groove team. Infinite level 1 Tiger Cannons is no joke.

C Groove-

Advantages-

  • Level 2 cancelling- Cancelling Tiger Raid into Fierce Tiger Uppercut is one of the best meter savers. You only lose 100 damage and gain a Tiger Uppercut worth of meter on top of the meter you save compared to the level 3.
  • Cheap meters- on top of the level 2 canceling, C-Groove has the fastest building gauge.
  • Delayed Get-up- Unpunishable method to mess with setup/safejumps.
  • Air Block-

Disadvantages-

  • Rush down- You need to earn your way in through footsies and pressure.


K Groove-

Advantages-

  • RAGE- When you're red, opponents are terrified. Make sure to throw them a few times and laugh that that's basically a super's worth of damage.
  • Low Jump- Sagat's low jump RH is very very good. It also opens up the low jump RH/ empty jump Tiger Raid Mixup
  • Safe Supers- Obviously Sagat gets this in all grooves, but K allows for "random" use it or lose it supers. Having 1 safe and 1 mostly safe supers is amazing for this.
  • Safe Fall- Quickly get back in the fight, but watch for punishment!
  • Just Defense- Get life back AND 1/12 meter for holding back? Great! The goal is to get around 12 JD's a round, so you end up getting 2 or 3 rage opportunities instead of 1 or 2.

Disadvantages-

  • No Alpha Counter- This is brutal against A Groove
  • Less control over meter usage- An opponent can wait you out, or taunt you before a match to cost your rage.

N Groove-

Advantages-

  • Low Jump
  • More control over Supers
  • Counter Attack/Roll

Disadvantages-

  • Need to "pop" for level 3's
  • Slower overall functional meter than K or C.


Terms:

Forward = F/f, Backward = B/b, Up = U/u, Down = D/d

Light punch = LP (Jab Punch), Medium Punch = MP (Strong Punch), Hard punch = HP (Fierce Punch), Light kick = LK (Short Kick), Medium Kick = MK (Forward Kick), Hard kick = HK (Roundhouse Kick)

Any Punch = AP, Any Kick = AK

QCF - d,df,f (Hadoken/Tiger shot movement), QCB - d,db,b (Hurricane Kick movement), DP - f,df,f (Dragon punch/Tiger Uppercut movement)

Normal Moves

Button Position Buffers: Itself Specials Supers Hit Block Startup Active Recovery Damage
Jab Standing n y y +6 +6 2 3 6 500
Crouching n y y +3 +3 5 4 8 400
Jumping - - - - - 4 22 - 600
Strong Standing n y y -7 -7 4 3 24 1100
Crouching n y y +4 +4 6 4 12 1000
Jumping - - - - - 4 10 - 1100
Fierce Close n/n y/n y/y -13 -13 3 8 27 1300,1100
Far n n y -4 -4 6 8 20 1600
Crouching n n y +2 +2 7 8 14 1500
Jumping - - - - - 6 8 - 1600
Short Standing n,n y,n y,y -1 -1 5 2+6 10 200+400
Crouching n y y +5 +5 3 4 6 400
Jumping - - - - - 5 22 - 600
Forward Standing n/n y/n y/n -12 -12 5 3+8 24 400+900
Crouching n y y -2 -2 4 5 17 1000
Jumping - - - - - 6 8 - 1000
Roundhouse Standing n/n y/n y/n -7 -7 6 3+7 24 500+1300
Crouching n n y down -7 7 8 23 1500
Jumping - - - - - 5 8 - 1400

Moves with detached/invincible hitboxes:

-j.HK (tip of foot)

-far s.HP and d.HP (tip of fists, VERY small)

-far s.MK (tip of foot)

Throws

Tiger Carry

  • Forward or Back + Fierce

Tiger Rage

  • Forward or Back + Roundhouse (Mashable)

Special Moves

Tiger Shot

  • Quarter Circle Forward + Punch
    • LP 800 -11/-11 10/44
    • MP 900 -12/-12 10/45
    • HP 1000 -13/-13 10/46

Ground Tiger Shot

  • Quarter Circle Forward + Kick
    • LK 700 -12/-12 12/45
    • MK 800 -13/-13 12/46
    • HK 900 -14/-14 12/47

Tiger Uppercut

  • Forward, Down, Down-Forward + Punch
    • LP 1800,900 down/-35 3/15/35
      • 3 frames full body, 4 frames lower body
    • MP 1900,900 down/-43 3/19/39
      • 3 frames full body, 4 frames lower body
    • HP 700+500+400+200x2 down/-35 3/[4]/[5]/[5]/[5]/[5]/42
      • 7 frames full body

Tiger Crush

  • Forward, Down, Down-Forward + Kick
    • LK 400+1100 down/-10 6/[6]/[5]/23
    • MK 500+1200 down/-12 5/[6]/[6]/24
    • HK 600+1300 down/-15 4/[6]/[7]/26

Super Combos

High Tiger Cannon

  • Double Quarter Circle Forward + Punch
    • High Tiger Cannon super has one frame less startup before the super flash than Ground Tiger Cannon super. It makes a difference when punishing another Sagat's whiffed far s.HP with far s.HP xx High Tiger Cannon as opposed to far s.HP xx Ground Tiger Cannon.

Ground Tiger Cannon

  • Double Quarter Circle Back + Punch
    • LP down/-2
    • MP down/+1
    • HP down/+4

Tiger Raid

  • Double Quarter Circle Back + Kick

Tiger Genocide

  • Double Quarter Circle Forward + Kick

Bread and Butter Combos

s.jabx2, tiger uppercut/tiger knee

cr.short, s.jab, tiger uppercut/tiger knee

s.jab, s.fierce, tiger uppercut

cr.shortx2, tiger uppercut/tiger knee

C-Groove Combos

Crossover lk, 2 standing lp, crouching mk ~ lvl. 2 Ground Tiger Cannon ~ lvl. 1 Tiger Cannon

The Basics

Advanced Strategy

Edited By: Haaris Abbasi & Markudea